Allowing plant to go to seed -Questions-

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Michibacy

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I have grown tobacco for a few seasons now, but haven't let my plants go to seeds. Just a couple questions:


  1. Can I harvest leaves while the flower is still attached? Can it damage the plant doing so?
  2. How long do I allow the seed pods to stay on the plants? I hear "until their brown", when I think about it, if I did that they might just dry up and break apart on their own.


Thanks for your help!

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Of all the seed heads I harvested last year I simply stalk cured the entire plant. Sure some seed fell out but thousands stayed inside and now I know they are fully mature. When you grow you have more seed than you cam possibly ever use so who cares if a few hundred seeds are lost?
 

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How long do you wait for the plant to mature ?

when it yellows it's done,

i like to pick my baccy leaf by leaf, as the plant ripens,,,

some plants, like y.t.b. im noticing,and some burleys,

ripen all at once,

but i like picking them as they ripen, and when i think frost is near....

i'll harvest the whole plant,
 

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Sorry I meant how long do I let the seed pod on the plant mature, essentially when do I harvest the seeds?
 

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Sorry I meant how long do I let the seed pod on the plant mature, essentially when do I harvest the seeds?

the pods will turn brown, when '' ripe''

each pod contains hundreds of seeds, so 10 ripe pods will give you plenty of seeds,

the pods will get big, but all you need is ten, so you decide when it's ready,,
 

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My plants were hung in the attic at the end of last season, due to my weather I am letting them hang until the space is needed for this years crop. I'm sure you can harvest seeds as soon as the husk goes papery and starts to split though
 

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Last year, with each of my seed heads bagged in Agribon-AG15, the top of the stalk (with the bagged head) was cut off the remainder of the stalk and a wire "hook" was wrapped on the bottom. The leaves had been primed of all but the top 4 leaves by that time. The heads were cut when most of the pods had turned brown. The bagged heads were hung (upside down) to dry for another month or three.

Some seed (maybe a couple of thousand seeds) spilled spontaneously from the drying pods, but a good size seed head will have a quarter million seeds, so this was insignificant. Once the pods were adequately crispy, they were broken into a pair of stacked sieves, with a 600 micron sieve nested on top of a 400 micron sieve, both situated on top of a 5 gallon bucket. The vast majority of the seed would not come out of an individual pod until it was crushed. Debris is trapped by the upper sieve, while the 500 micron seeds fall through, and are caught by the 400 micron sieve. Dust and under-size seed falls through the 400 micron sieve into the bucket. The good seed is what is kept in the lower sieve.

So, yes, seed will be lost from the inverted, drying pods, but not enough to warrant a second thought. Leaf-primed plants still produce abundant, viable seed. The longer the pods can mature and dry out in the field, before cutting the heads, the better the yield of seed. Cutting green heads, even if later allowed to thoroughly dry, my not mature the seed well.

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Perfect, thanks guys for answering my questions. Just gotta wait until harvest time now!
 

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I noticed that growers put a bag over the flower to collect seeds. I imagine that the bag is used to prevent cross pollination. So am I correct to assume that tobacco self-pollinates - meaning that bees are not necessary to pollinate the plants? I would like to collect some seeds, what type of bag should I use to cover the flower?
 

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Yes you're correct SmokeStack, I'm not sure what everyone else uses, but I have read about people making Agribon bags before. Personally, I just used knee-highs. (Ladies' nylons), Stapled the gap shut and letting them do their thing. I'm allowing my Green Brior to unprotected just so I can see the blooms.
 

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I noticed that growers put a bag over the flower to collect seeds. I imagine that the bag is used to prevent cross pollination. So am I correct to assume that tobacco self-pollinates - meaning that bees are not necessary to pollinate the plants? I would like to collect some seeds, what type of bag should I use to cover the flower?

You are correct, they self-pollinate. Under the FAQ #29 addresses this. It says to use Agribon or Wedding veil. I believe at one time Daniel was offering some bags he made. You may shoot him a PM and see if he has any left.
 

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Under the FAQ #29 addresses this.

Thanks Aaron, I did not see that. That addresses my seed questions well.:)

I guess if you are collecting seed from only one variety, then the bag is not necessary - as long as the other varieties are not allowed to bloom and cross pollinate.
 

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Tobacco is self-fertile, if isolated (by bag or distance). Normal cross-pollination is by moths, flies and hummingbirds.

Daniel offers Agribon-AG15 stitched bags for a modest price. I would recommend buying them, if you need only a small number. For more than a couple of dozen, I would suggest buying some Agribon, and sewing them yourself (with an identification tag stitched into the margin). I make mine 24" wide x 30" long, to accomodate a full pod head.

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-5455-agribon-ag-15-insect-barrier-118-x-50.aspx

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I use paint strainer cloth.your right it isn't necessary if only 1 strain is going in a mile, but with grin gone if you are doing a rare strain not available for sale anymore its good to be safe.
 

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I use paint strainer cloth.your right it isn't necessary if only 1 strain is going in a mile, but with grin gone if you are doing a rare strain not available for sale anymore its good to be safe.

what strain do you have that is no longer for sale?
 

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Tobacco is self-fertile, if isolated (by bag or distance). Normal cross-pollination is by moths, flies and hummingbirds.

Daniel offers Agribon-AG15 stitched bags for a modest price. I would recommend buying them, if you need only a small number. For more than a couple of dozen, I would suggest buying some Agribon, and sewing them yourself (with an identification tag stitched into the margin). I make mine 24" wide x 30" long, to accomodate a full pod head.

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/p-5455-agribon-ag-15-insect-barrier-118-x-50.aspx

Bob
It is simple to make your own, Just use a little ingenuity. The agribon is very simple to sew. The label is a must.
 
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