Using Chatgpt to create a cigar blend.

[buck]

I told Chatgpt to create a cigar blend giving it a list of tobacco leaves to use and this is the result. I have yet to try this blend.
Pretty impressive.


Question: Create a cigar blend where each leaf compliments each other to produce a good cigar using any of the following tobacco leaves, Nicaragua seco, Nicaragua ligero, Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper, Sumatra Binder, Criollo98 seco, Criollo98 viso, Bezuki wrapper, Corojo seco, Corojo viso, Corojo ligero

Creating a balanced and flavorful cigar blend is a complex art that involves combining various tobacco leaves to achieve the desired flavor profile. Here's a cigar blend that utilizes the tobacco leaves you've listed:
Wrapper: Ecuadorian Maduro

• The Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper is known for its rich, dark, and oily texture, which adds a sweet, earthy, and slightly spicy character to the cigar. It will provide a beautiful appearance and a robust flavor to the blend.

Binder: Sumatra

• The Sumatra binder is often used for its mellow and slightly sweet characteristics. It will help hold the cigar together and contribute a subtle sweetness that complements the other tobacco leaves.

Filler:

1. Nicaragua Seco: This tobacco leaf is typically used for its smooth and mild flavor. It will add a base of creaminess and mild spice to the blend.
2. Criollo '98 Seco: Criollo '98 is known for its slightly sweet and nutty notes, which will harmonize with the other tobaccos and provide a well-rounded flavor.
3. Corojo Viso: Corojo is prized for its robust and spicy flavor. Corojo Viso adds depth and a kick of spice to the blend without overwhelming it.
4. Nicaragua Ligero: Nicaragua Ligero is one of the most potent leaves, offering a full-bodied and intense flavor. A small amount will be used to give the cigar a bold kick.

Optional:

• Criollo '98 Viso: If you want to enhance the sweetness and complexity of the blend, you can consider adding some Criollo '98 Viso.

Notes:

• The Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper and Sumatra binder work together to provide a balanced and flavorful experience. The combination of Nicaragua Seco and Criollo '98 Seco will offer a smooth and slightly sweet core. The Corojo Viso and Nicaragua Ligero will add complexity and spice for those who enjoy a more robust cigar.

Remember that the proportions of each tobacco leaf can be adjusted to tailor the flavor and strength of the cigar to your personal preferences. Additionally, the quality of the leaves, the fermentation process, and the craftsmanship of the blending and rolling will all influence the final result. Experimenting with different ratios and aging the blend appropriately can lead to a truly exceptional cigar.

Question: Given this result, what would be the suggested proportion of leaves to use for filler of each leaf.


The suggested proportion of each tobacco leaf for the filler can vary depending on the desired flavor profile and strength of the cigar. Here's a starting point for the proportions of each filler leaf in the blend, but keep in mind that these are general guidelines, and you may want to experiment to find the perfect balance for your taste:

1. Nicaragua Seco: 30% - This will be the core of the blend, providing a smooth and mild base.
2. Criollo '98 Seco: 20% - Adding sweetness and nutty notes, this leaf complements the Nicaragua Seco.
3. Corojo Viso: 20% - This leaf will contribute spiciness and complexity to the blend without overwhelming it.
4. Nicaragua Ligero: 10% - Use sparingly, as Ligero is strong. It will provide an intense kick and depth to the blend.
5. Criollo '98 Viso (Optional): 10% - If you choose to include this leaf, it will enhance sweetness and complexity.

These proportions add up to 90%, leaving 10% for the binder and wrapper, which is a common ratio. The binder (Sumatra) and wrapper (Ecuadorian Maduro) play significant roles in the cigar's overall flavor and appearance, so they should not be overlooked.
Keep in mind that these proportions are just a starting point. The art of cigar blending often involves trial and error. It's essential to roll and age a few test cigars to see how the flavors develop over time. You may need to adjust the proportions based on your tasting experience. Additionally, factors like the size and shape of the cigar will influence the balance of flavors, so feel free to adjust accordingly to create the perfect cigar for your taste.


Question: Why wasn't the Indonesian binder used in this blend


The choice of using Sumatra as the binder instead of Indonesian Bezuki wrapper is a matter of personal preference and the flavor profile you aim to achieve in the cigar blend. Both Sumatra and Bezuki are Indonesian tobacco varieties, but they have different characteristics:

• Sumatra Binder: Sumatra binder leaves are known for their mild, slightly sweet, and mellow flavor profile. They are often chosen to provide a smooth, neutral base that enhances the other tobaccos in the blend without overpowering them. In the proposed blend, the Sumatra binder was selected to help hold the cigar together and add a subtle sweetness that complements the other tobacco leaves.
• Indonesian Bezuki Wrapper: Bezuki is often used as a wrapper leaf due to its thinner texture and unique flavor. It tends to be more delicate, with a subtle sweetness and mild spice. Bezuki wrappers can add a distinct character to a cigar, and they are often chosen for cigars where the wrapper's flavor is meant to be a significant part of the overall taste experience.

In this particular blend, the Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper was chosen for its rich, dark, and slightly spicy character, which complements the other filler leaves. The Sumatra binder was chosen to provide a more neutral and mellow influence, allowing the other filler tobaccos to shine.
The choice of binder and wrapper can significantly impact the overall flavor and aroma of a cigar, and it often depends on the desired outcome and the specific balance of flavors a blender is aiming for. Ultimately, the choice between Sumatra binder and Indonesian Bezuki wrapper is a matter of blending style and personal preference.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Sounds good. But is it John Connor approved?

 

[buck]

Sounds good. But is it John Connor approved?

Rather, is it Arnold approved, he does love a good cigar.

 

[McNatsarim]

I told Chatgpt to create a cigar blend giving it a list of tobacco leaves to use and this is the result. I have yet to try this blend.
Pretty impressive.


Question: Create a cigar blend where each leaf compliments each other to produce a good cigar using any of the following tobacco leaves, Nicaragua seco, Nicaragua ligero, Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper, Sumatra Binder, Criollo98 seco, Criollo98 viso, Bezuki wrapper, Corojo seco, Corojo viso, Corojo ligero

Creating a balanced and flavorful cigar blend is a complex art that involves combining various tobacco leaves to achieve the desired flavor profile. Here's a cigar blend that utilizes the tobacco leaves you've listed:
Wrapper: Ecuadorian Maduro

• The Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper is known for its rich, dark, and oily texture, which adds a sweet, earthy, and slightly spicy character to the cigar. It will provide a beautiful appearance and a robust flavor to the blend.

Binder: Sumatra

• The Sumatra binder is often used for its mellow and slightly sweet characteristics. It will help hold the cigar together and contribute a subtle sweetness that complements the other tobacco leaves.

Filler:

1. Nicaragua Seco: This tobacco leaf is typically used for its smooth and mild flavor. It will add a base of creaminess and mild spice to the blend.
2. Criollo '98 Seco: Criollo '98 is known for its slightly sweet and nutty notes, which will harmonize with the other tobaccos and provide a well-rounded flavor.
3. Corojo Viso: Corojo is prized for its robust and spicy flavor. Corojo Viso adds depth and a kick of spice to the blend without overwhelming it.
4. Nicaragua Ligero: Nicaragua Ligero is one of the most potent leaves, offering a full-bodied and intense flavor. A small amount will be used to give the cigar a bold kick.

Optional:

• Criollo '98 Viso: If you want to enhance the sweetness and complexity of the blend, you can consider adding some Criollo '98 Viso.

Notes:

• The Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper and Sumatra binder work together to provide a balanced and flavorful experience. The combination of Nicaragua Seco and Criollo '98 Seco will offer a smooth and slightly sweet core. The Corojo Viso and Nicaragua Ligero will add complexity and spice for those who enjoy a more robust cigar.

Remember that the proportions of each tobacco leaf can be adjusted to tailor the flavor and strength of the cigar to your personal preferences. Additionally, the quality of the leaves, the fermentation process, and the craftsmanship of the blending and rolling will all influence the final result. Experimenting with different ratios and aging the blend appropriately can lead to a truly exceptional cigar.

Question: Given this result, what would be the suggested proportion of leaves to use for filler of each leaf.


The suggested proportion of each tobacco leaf for the filler can vary depending on the desired flavor profile and strength of the cigar. Here's a starting point for the proportions of each filler leaf in the blend, but keep in mind that these are general guidelines, and you may want to experiment to find the perfect balance for your taste:

1. Nicaragua Seco: 30% - This will be the core of the blend, providing a smooth and mild base.
2. Criollo '98 Seco: 20% - Adding sweetness and nutty notes, this leaf complements the Nicaragua Seco.
3. Corojo Viso: 20% - This leaf will contribute spiciness and complexity to the blend without overwhelming it.
4. Nicaragua Ligero: 10% - Use sparingly, as Ligero is strong. It will provide an intense kick and depth to the blend.
5. Criollo '98 Viso (Optional): 10% - If you choose to include this leaf, it will enhance sweetness and complexity.

These proportions add up to 90%, leaving 10% for the binder and wrapper, which is a common ratio. The binder (Sumatra) and wrapper (Ecuadorian Maduro) play significant roles in the cigar's overall flavor and appearance, so they should not be overlooked.
Keep in mind that these proportions are just a starting point. The art of cigar blending often involves trial and error. It's essential to roll and age a few test cigars to see how the flavors develop over time. You may need to adjust the proportions based on your tasting experience. Additionally, factors like the size and shape of the cigar will influence the balance of flavors, so feel free to adjust accordingly to create the perfect cigar for your taste.


Question: Why wasn't the Indonesian binder used in this blend


The choice of using Sumatra as the binder instead of Indonesian Bezuki wrapper is a matter of personal preference and the flavor profile you aim to achieve in the cigar blend. Both Sumatra and Bezuki are Indonesian tobacco varieties, but they have different characteristics:

• Sumatra Binder: Sumatra binder leaves are known for their mild, slightly sweet, and mellow flavor profile. They are often chosen to provide a smooth, neutral base that enhances the other tobaccos in the blend without overpowering them. In the proposed blend, the Sumatra binder was selected to help hold the cigar together and add a subtle sweetness that complements the other tobacco leaves.
• Indonesian Bezuki Wrapper: Bezuki is often used as a wrapper leaf due to its thinner texture and unique flavor. It tends to be more delicate, with a subtle sweetness and mild spice. Bezuki wrappers can add a distinct character to a cigar, and they are often chosen for cigars where the wrapper's flavor is meant to be a significant part of the overall taste experience.

In this particular blend, the Ecuadorian Maduro wrapper was chosen for its rich, dark, and slightly spicy character, which complements the other filler leaves. The Sumatra binder was chosen to provide a more neutral and mellow influence, allowing the other filler tobaccos to shine.
The choice of binder and wrapper can significantly impact the overall flavor and aroma of a cigar, and it often depends on the desired outcome and the specific balance of flavors a blender is aiming for. Ultimately, the choice between Sumatra binder and Indonesian Bezuki wrapper is a matter of blending style and personal preference.

Was this ever tried?

 

[deluxestogie]

Bezuki is often used as a wrapper leaf

Would you trust an "intelligence" that doesn't even realize that there is no letter "z" in Indonesian? The variety name is "Besuki".

Bob

 

[Knucklehead]

Would you trust an "intelligence" that doesn't even realize that there is no letter "z" in Indonesian? The variety name is "Besuki".

Bob

Mama taught me not to believe everything I read. How do you teach that to AI? It pulls info from "trusted souces" that I wouldn't trust for a moment.

 

[DaleB]

I'm well aware that ChatGPT and other AIs often spew out some utterly ridiculous things, and "believe" sources that are completely wrong. I've seen it first hand. But I'm curious; for @deluxestogie and @Knucklehead, does the suggested blend seem seriously flawed? I don't know diddly about cigar blending, so I have no idea if what it suggested would make a great cigar, a turd, or something in between.

Today I asked our would-be AI overlord, with all of its inherent flaws and hallucinations, to try and get me close to a particular pipe tobacco blend I'd like to replace. Its answer was interesting and plausible; we'll know if it was good or bad advice in a few weeks when I've properly aged the little test batch I made. What it came up with was a little more complex than I'd have immediately thought up, but seems on the surface to be a decent bet.

 

[deluxestogie]

does the suggested blend seem seriously flawed?

Not particularly. A cigar can be any combination of tobaccos. The proportions of seco, viso, ligero are dependent on the desired combustion rate as well as the desired strength. The combination of thin binder with thicker wrapper, or vice versa, improves the combustion of the wrapper. Where the suggested blend is less helpful (in my codger opinion) is when it ventures into assigning the assorted food flavors that so many contributors to tobacco review websites, as well as cigar marketeers, attribute to the tobacco. I consider that to be misleading, categorical perception.

Bob

 

[DaleB]

Yeah, I often wonder if my palate is simply not as sensitive or well tuned or whatever, or if the reviewers and "connoisseurs" are just full of it. The reviews are full of "stone fruit" this and "citrusy" that... I can't even relate, to be honest.

The little batch of pipe blend I mixed up using GPT's suggestion smells and looks good, and of course I know the blend makes a lot of sense overall. It's more complex component-wise than the others I've tried; I have to wonder if that will actually carry through to the smoke. I have it resting in a jar to equalize the moisture now; I'll press it lightly for a few days and try some, but of course it won't reach its final state for weeks if not months.

 

[StoneCarver]

I don't trust AI. We piloted AI in the clinic I work in to translate spanish/english. Summary: it bombed spectacularly. We aren't going to be using AI interpretation any time soon.

 

[Knucklehead]

I'm well aware that ChatGPT and other AIs often spew out some utterly ridiculous things, and "believe" sources that are completely wrong. I've seen it first hand. But I'm curious; for @deluxestogie and @Knucklehead, does the suggested blend seem seriously flawed? I don't know diddly about cigar blending, so I have no idea if what it suggested would make a great cigar, a turd, or something in between.

Today I asked our would-be AI overlord, with all of its inherent flaws and hallucinations, to try and get me close to a particular pipe tobacco blend I'd like to replace. Its answer was interesting and plausible; we'll know if it was good or bad advice in a few weeks when I've properly aged the little test batch I made. What it came up with was a little more complex than I'd have immediately thought up, but seems on the surface to be a decent bet.

I liked the look of the blend. I was being a clown about AI but I'm an old guy. I would like someone with the components to try it and give their opinion of the blend, but then personal taste will come into play so who knows?
edit: let us know what you think when it comes out of the humidor.
Replace the word Space with AI and we are all heading into a strange new world. Lol
"Space: the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before!" Star Trek

 

[adamziegler]

There is a roller who took his tasting notes from different blends and fed that into AI and it spit out something delicious. The recipie at the top of this thread just looks complicated.

 

[Plinsc]

I just asked perplexity how to infuse coffee flavor into pipe tobacco, Fair Trade Tobacco was cited a few times in the info!

 

[deluxestogie]

Back when Google search was just Google search, there were times when I would search for additional information on rare tobacco varieties that I had grown. The search results often included photos of my tobacco growing in my garden, with my old farm house in the background. Even then—about a decade ago, Google was scouring every website it could identify.

The reality is that FTT is currently the most encyclopedic source of DIY tobacco adventures.

Bob