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A Kiln, Tobacco, the Process, and Why

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Good to hear DGBama
Yep lots of good things here helped me understand what it was I needed to do. I love and truly enjoy my Tobacco & know you do too. Just put a few pounds of bright leaf in my kiln to break up the bale so I can get it into the tubs.
Stuff smells so sweet was bone dry had to get some moisture in it before handling it much.
I still have tobacco from 2013 I need to kiln smoked all the African Red.
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PS- Loved that Photo
 

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Don't know Jitter I haven't tried it straight up in a long time. At the speed I move it's subject to reach the end of 2015 and remain untouched.
 

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Just a note: I have been at this for some time and have developed a feel for the moisture. The last 4 runs I have kept the moisture high just below the line of developing mold. (My experience has taught me that even at higher temperatures it can occur if the tobacco is to wet) When I remove the tobacco from the kiln it is a bit moist, this helps in flattening the leaves before bagging and sealing. After the tobacco is bagged it sits a month to three or more before it is shredded and smoked. Well to the point, when I opened a bag this morning it was still damp I shredded some I made a smoke. Lit the cigarette set down and paid attention to the experience of smoking it and found it to be smooth with a nice flavor. However it burned the nose membrane just a little bit. Airing and allowing the tobacco to dry some made it a very nice smoke.
 

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My kiln is realy simple. Old fridge, one plate electric cooker, 1 x infra red heat globe ( the kind you use to heat up small chicks). I put my tobacco in plastic bags, we have nice thick bags people put wood in for selling.
I made a 50mm (2") hole in the top of the fridge, to let out humidity, regulate it by moving a piece of plastic, over the hole. The cooker ( with a big pan of water on) has got its own setting heat knob, it does take some time to get it right but I do get a very stable 55 Deg C: 70% humidity after a day or so.
The only problem I have is that the tobacco closest to the globe tend to dry out a bit!!

I never smoked unfermented tobacco, so I can't vouch that there is a diffirence between the two.
Watching the Rocky Patel cigar video ( placed a link on ftt earlier) I see they ferment some of their tobaccos for up to 18 months, so I believe there must be merrit in the madness
 

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Sure can. Here is mine
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Do you open vents or Not"

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What I like most about DGBamas photo above - it demonstrates shear simplicity
The use of and the kiln it's self need not be complex he kept it simple. Most of the information out there has been made complicated, or appears to be. In truth it is not complicated at all.
But when aging tobacco it should be realized a little hands on experience is needed to achieve good to great results. What tobacco feels like when the moisture content is right for aging must be learned, what it smells like as it moves through the aging process must also be learned by doing and gaining experience.

It delights me that so many have taken interest in my post. I feel we should all have the opportunity to smoke Tax & Chemical Free Tobacco if we choose.

In an effort to help you through the hands on of aging tobacco I will be making and uploading video clips as I move through the aging process with a batch of tobacco I started today. The first clip is uploading now and will be followed by others. Youtube tells me I've got about 2 hours left for the upload to complete. when done I'll post it.

The first clip will show tobacco that has been condition. Unfortunately I thought of making the video clips after placing the tobacco bail (roughly 50 pounds) in the kiln to condition it so it could be taken apart. The bail has been sitting in my basement for something like a year give or take. Because it has just been sitting down there exposed to the air in a compressed bail it has become very dry and must be conditioned before handling it much. To handle and try to work with it in this very dry state would cause damage to and crumbling of the leaves. If I remember to do so when I start my next run I'll make a video of placing and the conditioning of the tobacco bail.

I have been reading through this thread and for some who have replied to it there seems to be some confusion. I have also received a few PMs (which I have answered) asking questions. I don't mind the questions or PMs but thought if I make these video clips and post them it might clear some of the mystery.

It is from my experiance perfectly OK to stack the plastic tubs providing there is circulation of the air inside the kiln to promote reasonable even temperature. (But do rotate tub positions now and then)
Venting of the kiln is not needed, but cracking of the tubs lids every few days will not hurt. However I have discovered that cracking of the lids may be a matter of choice my last run I did not do it and had no noticeable difference as far as the finished tobacco was concerned between a run that the tub lids had been cracked and a run when they were not cracked.
If you are new to kilning tobacco you should check the tobacco often for moisture content and the appearance of mold. If mold should be found cut it out (remove it) and check all the tobacco in that batch. Then allow the tobacco to dry out by spreading it on a table top until it is damp but not wet. After it has dried some clean the tub with soap and water, rinse well, and dry the tub. Then put the tobacco back in the tub and continue with the kiln.

I have not bought a cigarette in more than 5 years and truly believe there is nothing on a store shelf than can compare with what I smoke today. Your reading this says you have an interest in great tobacco for your smoking pleasure at a cost that is less than store bought. Should you pursue your interest and plan on growing, grow enough to matter, if buying to kiln buy bulk at least 10 pounds to kiln. There are good folks here on the forum who sell tobacco talk to them.
If I were buying just for me I would buy enough for 6 months at a time and run my kiln 1 to two times in that time frame. But I don't I provide my entire family with tobacco so I kiln often.

Bob signs his post with his name at the foot I think that shows he has nothing to hide. I'm going to copy Bob

Brent :)
 

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thats funny I thought Bobs real name was 'Col.Sanders' maybe I was wrong lol

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Ha Ha maybe he does have something to HIDE - That Tim fella in MoonShiners - I think Bob is done there in Tim's neck of the woods, hell they might be running a still or Bob could be trading Cigars for a bit of Shine!
 

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A short video clip placing Kutsaga 110 in a tub to ferment it. The reason I am posting this clip is to show how this tub was loaded and point out I had mold develop when fermenting the Kutsaga. The reason it developed I believe was due to the large air spaces within the tobacco pile in the tub. I no longer load my tubs this way...
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This is the 1st video clip of a short series I'll be posting to this thread depicting the process I use to kiln (force age) my tobacco. This clip is 2 parts. (My camera decided for me the video was to long and started a second - might need a new camera.)
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This is part 2 of the 1st video clip.
At this point of the aging process I have misted the tobacco with spring water while loading it into my tubs as seen in part 1 of this video clip. The tobacco will now set in the kiln over night at a temperature of 125F and in the morning I will check the tobacco for moisture content. I'll make and post a video of that..
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Video Clip 2 part 2 - Checking the moisture of the leaves after the first 24 hours in the Kiln. Plus a look at some Dark Air Burley that had been aged 6 weeks in the kiln. The condition I keep it in for storage.
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In the video I state that I feel opening the tubs to allow gas escape is not to critical. I want to correct that statement it is critical and should be done..
 

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I agree fully with that Jitterbug. I do have a question for you. You had said my home grown may have aged just fine after setting for a year. When it was Bagged it was pretty dry and is still very dry, my understanding is it needs a certain amount of moisture to age is this correct? My tobacco is Flue Cured...
 

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I agree fully with that Jitterbug. I do have a question for you. You had said my home grown may have aged just fine after setting for a year. When it was Bagged it was pretty dry and is still very dry, my understanding is it needs a certain amount of moisture to age is this correct? My tobacco is Flue Cured...

That is also my understanding.
 
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