Bunching method and roll tightness

[HKRolling]

Do you apply the same amount of pressure when applying the binder/wrapper regardless of bunching methods?

For example:
You roll entubado method and apply a certain amount of pressure on the bunch when rolling. Then you swap to book method and apply exactly the same amount of pressure.
Would they draw the same?

Or would you need to apply slightly more/less pressure when changing bunching methods.

Background. I rolled a couple doing book and they didn't draw so well. I swapped to entubado on advice from someone here. I also rolled with a bit less pressure. This one draws a bit too easily. Is that just because I didn't roll it as tight and need to calibrate my rolling pressure a bit more, or did the bunching method also effect it?

Here it is. A bit of a fugly little fatty.

 

[Snowblithe]

I think the biggest difference is that entubado is much more forgiving.
For a freehand cigar you can bind it as tight as your binder can tolerate and you will generally not have too tight of a draw, assuming the filler is in low case. I generally roll entubado with a single binder, so the draw is looser than I like, then wrap in a strip of newspaper or advertisement paper to gently compress the doll and set the draw that way. Generally I leave it in the paper over night but an hour or two is often enough.

Edit: book method is very unforgiving. It’s always better to at least fold each filler leaf a few times before rolling.
If you have trouble keeping the filler together while binding you can use one of your seco leaves to loosely wrap around the rest of the filler, though having too many layers on the outside of the cigar can lead to burn trouble.

 

[GreenDragon]

Also, pay attention to the case of your filler when rolling. The higher the case the easier it is to roll too tightly regardless of the method resulting in a difficult draw. Don’t get discouraged; There are so many variables it’s more of an art than a science - best thing is to practice practice practice and enjoy the journey.

 

[HKRolling]

I think the biggest difference is that entubado is much more forgiving.
For a freehand cigar you can bind it as tight as your binder can tolerate and you will generally not have too tight of a draw, assuming the filler is in low case. I generally roll entubado with a single binder, so the draw is looser than I like, then wrap in a strip of newspaper or advertisement paper to gently compress the doll and set the draw that way. Generally I leave it in the paper over night but an hour or two is often enough.

Edit: book method is very unforgiving. It’s always better to at least fold each filler leaf a few times before rolling.
If you have trouble keeping the filler together while binding you can use one of your seco leaves to loosely wrap around the rest of the filler, though having too many layers on the outside of the cigar can lead to burn trouble.

Thanks.
I'll keep doing entubado and try it a bit tighter next time. I don't moisten my fillers at all. They are quite "rustley". I do live in a very humid country, it's around 80% before I put the ac on. But I also seal the bags between use.
I also use a single binder.
I did wrap my first one in paper but wasn't sure if it did anything. I'll keep playing around with the variables

 

[Knucklehead]

Bob pointed out that you can hear the leaf in this video. It may help with determining the moisture content by listening. He has great videos here and youtube, instagram, and tiktok. The member's name is @waikikigun and does the videos under bliss cigar.

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[HKRolling]

Bob pointed out that you can hear the leaf in this video. It may help with determining the moisture content by listening. He has great videos here and youtube, instagram, and tiktok. The member's name is @waikikigun and does the videos under bliss cigar.

300k views on one of my rolling vids today

I had about 3k views on this vid this morning. Now I have 305k. 17,000 hours watchtime on that video today. View: https://youtu.be/_a_LWfhel_c

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Thankyou.
I have watched this. It's a really good explanation of how to tell how moist it is.
That's why I mentioned it being "rustley"