China Voodoo 2017 Grow Blog
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ChinaVoodoo
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I totally agree.
ChinaVoodoo
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This is a long shot, so I'm not going to start a thread because I have no idea if it will work. I'm using one of my home made mason jar air lock lids, which I use for making pickles and sauerkraut, to ferment tobacco (Kumanovo). There's a plastic thing inside to keep the tobacco below the liquid, but there's no pressure aside from being packed into a jar by hand. I didn't use salt. The fermentation had been going for 4 days now, and I just realized it's going so hard that the airlock has filled with tobacco juice. I'll clean that out.
It started with stuffing tobacco into the jar, and topping up with enough water to cover it.
It started with stuffing tobacco into the jar, and topping up with enough water to cover it.
Someone on this forum did something similar a few years ago. They vacuum sealed some moist tobacco in a plastic bag. Don't recall how it came out though.
ChinaVoodoo
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Probably me. It didn't work. It turned sour, but never went beyond that. Just lactic acid for several months until I opened the bag to give it air in which it molded. I don't think sauerkraut would work by sealing it in a bag either though.
My understanding is that with fairly dilute liquid, E. coli and other less desirable bugs with predominate, until the liquid becomes so concentrated that they just can't survive the high osmolarity, and then Pichia anomala takes over. It's apparently the Pichia anomala that brings the raisin and fruit aromas that replace the earlier potty smell.
It will be interesting to follow.
Bob
It will be interesting to follow.
Bob
ChinaVoodoo
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That monster Piloto is now 98" tall. It is officially the tallest tobacco plant I have ever grown.
The Delhi is average over six feet.
When I was a kid, my parents brought back sugar cane in an unfridgerated vacuum sealed pouch from a vacation somewhere. That's what the fermenting tobacco smells like. It's currently bubbling away, like crazy.
The Delhi is average over six feet.
When I was a kid, my parents brought back sugar cane in an unfridgerated vacuum sealed pouch from a vacation somewhere. That's what the fermenting tobacco smells like. It's currently bubbling away, like crazy.
DistillingJim
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Massively intrigued by the pressureless fermentation. Could it be that the pressure in perique is not as vital as we have always assumed it to be?
I will follow your experiment with interest !
From my really small experience about perique making, all I can say is that I had one batch that smelled very very bad (I did not even tried it because of the smell !!!) and this was the only batch I made with too much water/not enough pressure.
I think that pressure is only needed to extract a lot of liquid from the leaves to ensure that the leaves are under concentrated tobacco juice.
It could be interesting to try to make some pressureless perique by putting tobacco leaves in tobacco juice (and just ensure that the leaves are under the level of the juice).
Maybe we can make some tobacco juice by pressing removed stems ? or even from the stalk ?
From my really small experience about perique making, all I can say is that I had one batch that smelled very very bad (I did not even tried it because of the smell !!!) and this was the only batch I made with too much water/not enough pressure.
I think that pressure is only needed to extract a lot of liquid from the leaves to ensure that the leaves are under concentrated tobacco juice.
It could be interesting to try to make some pressureless perique by putting tobacco leaves in tobacco juice (and just ensure that the leaves are under the level of the juice).
Maybe we can make some tobacco juice by pressing removed stems ? or even from the stalk ?
ChinaVoodoo
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This is the best summer I can remember. Still nice temperatures for the foreseeable future.
Delhi 34
I picked this one up today: Burlington on Whyte 30th anniversary pipe, made by Lorenzetti. At the celebration, I hope to give Lorenzetti, who will be coming from Italy, a gift of some of my tobacco.
Delhi 34
I picked this one up today: Burlington on Whyte 30th anniversary pipe, made by Lorenzetti. At the celebration, I hope to give Lorenzetti, who will be coming from Italy, a gift of some of my tobacco.
When is the celebration?
Bob
Bob
ChinaVoodoo
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It's in mid October. I'm not sure what day.
ChinaVoodoo
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Tutu
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Tall fellow indeed! They all seem to be! To bad you haven't got more varieties since your little accident earlier, given that it is such a good summer for growing. Well at least you've got something. And woosh they're tall!
ChinaVoodoo
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Next year is going to be different. I'm planning on using a more simple thermostat. I look forward to trying again with some Indonesian varieties.
Every year is a learning experience. I feel lucky I had the Delhi. Nothing I've ever grown could have filled the void so quickly.
Gavroche
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[QUOTE = ChinaVoodoo; 139077] Je prévois d'utiliser un thermostat plus simple. [/ QUOTE]
The warm layer does not tempt to you?
La couche chaude ne vous tente pas ?
https://www.un-jardin-bio.com/la-couche-chaude/
The warm layer does not tempt to you?
La couche chaude ne vous tente pas ?
https://www.un-jardin-bio.com/la-couche-chaude/
ChinaVoodoo
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I am referring to how my temperature controller malfunctioned and cooked all of my seedlings in the shed this spring. The Piloto was in another location. The Delhi grew so fast the first time that I thought it the best candidate for replanting.
I want to try the Indonesian varieties again next year, and the L'Assomption which I got from ARS-GRIN.
ChinaVoodoo
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Do you think it would be horribly unsafe to use this humidity controller in a box at 135F? It's rated for 120F. If you think it's ok and say so, i promise I won't hold you liable.
https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/hum-1-instructions.pdf
https://www.planetnatural.com/wp-content/uploads/hum-1-instructions.pdf
mwaller
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Check out INKBIRD temperature and humidity controllers. They are inexpensive, and rated for use above 135F.
https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Dehu...504108514&sr=8-4&keywords=humidity+controller
https://www.amazon.com/Inkbird-Dehu...504108514&sr=8-4&keywords=humidity+controller
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