workhorse_01
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That's ten pounds of tobacco in a 2oz. plant, well, it soon will be. I can't believe there's that many leaves, and it's that short.
deluxestogie Grow Log 2013
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My Prelip is not doing well. Only a couple of inches tall now but I'm going to hang in there and maybe get one out just for HO Ho's.
workhorse_01
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That's a sharp looking plant. I think next year I'll add it and silver river to my little green babies.
The second month in the ground is the most exciting. Tobacco plants seem to grow noticeably overnight.
The sky is overcast, so it's difficult to appreciate the distinct yellow tint of the Harrow Velvet leaf, most prominent on the lowest leaves. White stem burleys commonly do that as a result of a genetic defect in their chlorophyll metabolism.
Bob
The sky is overcast, so it's difficult to appreciate the distinct yellow tint of the Harrow Velvet leaf, most prominent on the lowest leaves. White stem burleys commonly do that as a result of a genetic defect in their chlorophyll metabolism.
Bob
DGBAMA
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The second month in the ground is the most exciting. Tobacco plants seem to grow noticeably overnight.
The sky is overcast, so it's difficult to appreciate the distinct yellow tint of the Harrow Velvet leaf, most prominent on the lowest leaves. White stem burleys commonly do that as a result of a genetic defect in their chlorophyll metabolism.
Bob
That lighter color trait should mean easier/faster color curing than greener varieties correct?
It does, but with a word of caution.
In most tobacco varieties, the loss of chlorophyll (the green color), and eventual browning of color-curing leaf occurs in synchrony with other chemical process, such as breakdown of albuminous proteins (releasing ammonia) and moderation/modification of the alkaloids. Although the color changes happen at the same time, they are not directly connected.
In white-stem burleys, the defective chloroplast (which makes chlorophyll) is also responsible for the breakdown of chlorophyll during leaf senescence (yellowing). So the leaf color-cures faster, BUT the other processes, like breaking down proteins, etc. do not happen faster. The result is that white-stem burley leaf looks like it's done curing, as judged by color, before the other processes are completed. Tricky.
While that makes it less likely that you will end up with flash-cured green, you still need to be patient. It's easier to get a nice color, but not necessarily a quicker cure. My experience is that all the burleys I have grown need considerably more curing time to become even marginally smokable compared to many other varieties. Even my mild Harrow Velvet is a beast without many moons of aging, or a month in the kiln.
Bob
DGBAMA
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Thank you for that insight Bob. I continue to learn. So a variety that is eaier to "color cure" does not necessarily mean that same tobacco will be ready to smoke sooner.
My Prilep P66 9/7 is not as big as yours. About 25 cm. It was transplanted 15th of May. It start growing few days ago.
I found out that after transplanting tobacco plant need about three weeks/1 month to start growing seriously.
I found out that after transplanting tobacco plant need about three weeks/1 month to start growing seriously.
Your Prilep looks good, Maks, and identical to mine. The upper leaves look like savoyed cabbage.
Another view from stogieEarth.
We had another good soaking today. As long as it dries out in between showers, and the winds are not too strong, the plants love it. In the photo, you can just now begin to see the Machu Picchu coming up beside the house. It gets no direct sun until about 1 pm each day, and only for about 7 hours, but during that time, it's also receiving all the reflected light from the wall. The Prilep (2 varieties) is in the short bed near the middle of the photo.
My Oaxaca Green corn is the jungle near the lower right, sharing a bed with some melons.
It's hard to believe that in another 4 weeks, the tobacco will be head-high.
Bob
Another view from stogieEarth.
We had another good soaking today. As long as it dries out in between showers, and the winds are not too strong, the plants love it. In the photo, you can just now begin to see the Machu Picchu coming up beside the house. It gets no direct sun until about 1 pm each day, and only for about 7 hours, but during that time, it's also receiving all the reflected light from the wall. The Prilep (2 varieties) is in the short bed near the middle of the photo.
My Oaxaca Green corn is the jungle near the lower right, sharing a bed with some melons.
It's hard to believe that in another 4 weeks, the tobacco will be head-high.
Bob
workhorse_01
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No it isn't, It's well cared for!
Your Prilep looks good, Maks, and identical to mine. The upper leaves look like savoyed cabbage.
Another view from stogieEarth.
We had another good soaking today. As long as it dries out in between showers, and the winds are not too strong, the plants love it. In the photo, you can just now begin to see the Machu Picchu coming up beside the house. It gets no direct sun until about 1 pm each day, and only for about 7 hours, but during that time, it's also receiving all the reflected light from the wall. The Prilep (2 varieties) is in the short bed near the middle of the photo.
My Oaxaca Green corn is the jungle near the lower right, sharing a bed with some melons.
It's hard to believe that in another 4 weeks, the tobacco will be head-high.
Bob
What a hassock.
i met a authentic cuban cigar roller,,,, he lived on the island ll his life, and roll's from what im told a damn good cigar
i bet he would drool over ' D-STOGIE'S tobacco
im gonna see him sunday,,, d-stogie, you wanna see if he will roll you a couple cigars, [ professionally cuban rolled ] in exchange for some of your leaves,, binder, filler,, e.t.c.
i bet he would drool over ' D-STOGIE'S tobacco
im gonna see him sunday,,, d-stogie, you wanna see if he will roll you a couple cigars, [ professionally cuban rolled ] in exchange for some of your leaves,, binder, filler,, e.t.c.
Chicken,
I appreciate the offer. I'm sure he rolls a mean cigar. But I will decline.
Bob
I appreciate the offer. I'm sure he rolls a mean cigar. But I will decline.
Bob
Your garden is beautiful. Everything is in place. I also plant corn this year. Some Panama high and big corn to be support for beans and I even plant two melons for first time. Unfortunately Snails eats both of them.
So, now is time to observe, write notes, listen radio for weather report, rolling cigars, rolling cigars and rolling cigars.
BTW is this green corn for tortillas or for pipe making?
So, now is time to observe, write notes, listen radio for weather report, rolling cigars, rolling cigars and rolling cigars.
BTW is this green corn for tortillas or for pipe making?
Maks,
The green corn is traditionally used for making green tortillas, but I planted it because the thickness of the ears (in photos) seemed adequate for pipe making.
A single plant seems to show Tobacco Etch Virus (TEV).
This is a Harrow Velvet (burley) plant at the corner of its bed. No other plants appear to be affected.
The "scribed" and curly etching seen in the close-up seems typical. The virus does not overwinter in the soil, but does overwinter in solanaceous weeds, which is a huge group of common weeds and flowers that also includes tobacco and its close relatives. The virus is then transmitted by insect (thrips in particular). TEV is said to be the most common disease of burley.
I could pull the plant, as I did last year when one affected plant appeared. My inclination is to watch this one to see how readily it spreads. My decision isn't about saving a single plant, but about gaining a sense of how TEV behaves.
Bob
The green corn is traditionally used for making green tortillas, but I planted it because the thickness of the ears (in photos) seemed adequate for pipe making.
A single plant seems to show Tobacco Etch Virus (TEV).
This is a Harrow Velvet (burley) plant at the corner of its bed. No other plants appear to be affected.
The "scribed" and curly etching seen in the close-up seems typical. The virus does not overwinter in the soil, but does overwinter in solanaceous weeds, which is a huge group of common weeds and flowers that also includes tobacco and its close relatives. The virus is then transmitted by insect (thrips in particular). TEV is said to be the most common disease of burley.
I could pull the plant, as I did last year when one affected plant appeared. My inclination is to watch this one to see how readily it spreads. My decision isn't about saving a single plant, but about gaining a sense of how TEV behaves.
Bob
DGBAMA
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If it indeed transmits in such a manner then possibly a leaf could be clipped at first symptoms and disposed of without affecting the rest of the plant/surrounding plants. ? Being such a rapid grower, it would seem most of the plant's "circulation" would move from roots to leaves, not from one leaf to another. Just a new guy thinking out loud.
workhorse_01
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It's too bad you cant cover it with an aquarium to observe it! That would stop the spread or chance there of, and maybe let you experiment on it.
leverhead
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I've had similar looking plants in my patch this year and last. Your mileage may vary, it doesn't seem to spread or go away. There's a couple of places it's happened this year and last, in the same spot. With all the tilling I did, it didn't move or spread. If I think of it before the next planting, I might till in some powdered milk to see if I get lucky.
My assumption is that it has spread (by flying insect) to that one tobacco plant from some unidentified weeds that could be anywhere. If that is the case, then removing that one plant (or its affected leaves) would have only a marginal effect on its spreading to other tobacco plants.
Many viruses move both up and down the plant, since there is two way traffic: basic nutrients and alkaloids come up from the roots to the leaf, while sugars and proteins travel down from the leaves to the roots to keep the root system alive.
Bob
Many viruses move both up and down the plant, since there is two way traffic: basic nutrients and alkaloids come up from the roots to the leaf, while sugars and proteins travel down from the leaves to the roots to keep the root system alive.
Bob
Live from southwest Virginia, it's Saturday Afternoon!
I'm looking forward to walking through the tobacco beds in the "Super" full moon this weekend. Yesterday, I found (and squished) one hornworm egg. I'm on the lookout now.
Bed of Dominican Olor.
Bed of Peruvian Machu Picchu.
Prilep 66 9/7 is now about 28" tall, with a leaf count approaching 30.
Leaf size currently 12" x 7" in a semi-dense planting.
Bob
I'm looking forward to walking through the tobacco beds in the "Super" full moon this weekend. Yesterday, I found (and squished) one hornworm egg. I'm on the lookout now.
Bed of Dominican Olor.
Bed of Peruvian Machu Picchu.
Prilep 66 9/7 is now about 28" tall, with a leaf count approaching 30.
Leaf size currently 12" x 7" in a semi-dense planting.
Bob
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