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Do you have any plans or the time to try for a sucker crop?
In 2012, I carefully pruned to a single sucker per plant, for about 2 dozen different varieties. Because of the abnormally long growing season last year, the suckers grew well, yielding leaf that was nearly as large as the primary leaf.

Most of this sucker crop cured rather slowly. I still have quite a bit of it, now 1 year old. My opinion of the leaf, when kilned after 1 year, is that it's not all that good. It often lacks the distinctive flavors and aromas of primary leaf, is lighter in final color, possesses a less desirable texture, and tends to have more holes and dried aphids than primary leaf. While sucker leaf is not as high in quality as primary leaf, it nonetheless requires just as much work per leaf, just as much hanging and storage space as primary leaf, and just as much kiln space. Plus, the curing conditions (weather) are not as favorable when the suckers need to go into the shed.

This season, I have removed all suckers from every plant as soon as they emerge. Since tender sucker leaf attracts significantly more pests (aphids and flea beetles in particular) than more mature leaf, I've experienced fewer issues with pests. The plants are dedicated to producing the best quality leaf. An added advantage of my no-sucker policy is that the nutrient drain on the soil is minimized.

As soon as the last leaf is removed from a stalk, the stalk is cut 6" above the soil. [This leaves a handle for knocking off dirt from the root ball.] As soon thereafter as the soil dries to a crumbly state, I pry out the root with a shovel.

My opinion at this moment is that if I want more leaf, I'll increase the number of plants, rather than expend the time a resources to produce inferior leaf. Added to this, my total number of tobacco plants for 2013 was significantly higher than for 2012, and I've maxed out my hanging space.

Although many members have had success with sucker crops, and been satisfied with the quality of the leaf, that has not been my experience here in southwest Virginia.

Bob
 

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In 2012, I carefully pruned to a single sucker per plant, for about 2 dozen different varieties. Because of the abnormally long growing season last year, the suckers grew well, yielding leaf that was nearly as large as the primary leaf.

Most of this sucker crop cured rather slowly. I still have quite a bit of it, now 1 year old. My opinion of the leaf, when kilned after 1 year, is that it's not all that good. It often lacks the distinctive flavors and aromas of primary leaf, is lighter in final color, possesses a less desirable texture, and tends to have more holes and dried aphids than primary leaf. While sucker leaf is not as high in quality as primary leaf, it nonetheless requires just as much work per leaf, just as much hanging and storage space as primary leaf, and just as much kiln space. Plus, the curing conditions (weather) are not as favorable when the suckers need to go into the shed.

This season, I have removed all suckers from every plant as soon as they emerge. Since tender sucker leaf attracts significantly more pests (aphids and flea beetles in particular) than more mature leaf, I've experienced fewer issues with pests. The plants are dedicated to producing the best quality leaf. An added advantage of my no-sucker policy is that the nutrient drain on the soil is minimized.

As soon as the last leaf is removed from a stalk, the stalk is cut 6" above the soil. [This leaves a handle for knocking off dirt from the root ball.] As soon thereafter as the soil dries to a crumbly state, I pry out the root with a shovel.

My opinion at this moment is that if I want more leaf, I'll increase the number of plants, rather than expend the time a resources to produce inferior leaf. Added to this, my total number of tobacco plants for 2013 was significantly higher than for 2012, and I've maxed out my hanging space.

Although many members have had success with sucker crops, and been satisfied with the quality of the leaf, that has not been my experience here in southwest Virginia.

Bob
Basically I agree with Bob. I grow for a nitch -- shade grown wrapper and not volume. I find trimming the rare sucker allows the suriving leaf to be larger and mre what I want for wrapper. I can't address total volume as that is not part of my goal.

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In 2013, I grew fewer than half the number of different varieties (20 vs. 43), but increased the number of plants. I can't help it. It's a mental disease.

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My suckers is my only hope to get more leaves, as the main crop was cured badly and half the leaves dried green...
Now you said that suckers don't produce easy to cure leaves, and not quality also...So the hope for good quality leaves goes for next year's crop.
 

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I agree with you on all points. That being said I'm hoping for the rains to subside and my sucker crop to give me the leaf to carry me through the year. My main crop in the front was a disaster. The ground last year never saw the water we had this year. I have increased the spraying regimen, and will have to amend the soil, plus the amount of electricity will be higher to cure the leaf.
In 2012, I carefully pruned to a single sucker per plant, for about 2 dozen different varieties. Because of the abnormally long growing season last year, the suckers grew well, yielding leaf that was nearly as large as the primary leaf.

Most of this sucker crop cured rather slowly. I still have quite a bit of it, now 1 year old. My opinion of the leaf, when kilned after 1 year, is that it's not all that good. It often lacks the distinctive flavors and aromas of primary leaf, is lighter in final color, possesses a less desirable texture, and tends to have more holes and dried aphids than primary leaf. While sucker leaf is not as high in quality as primary leaf, it nonetheless requires just as much work per leaf, just as much hanging and storage space as primary leaf, and just as much kiln space. Plus, the curing conditions (weather) are not as favorable when the suckers need to go into the shed.

This season, I have removed all suckers from every plant as soon as they emerge. Since tender sucker leaf attracts significantly more pests (aphids and flea beetles in particular) than more mature leaf, I've experienced fewer issues with pests. The plants are dedicated to producing the best quality leaf. An added advantage of my no-sucker policy is that the nutrient drain on the soil is minimized.

As soon as the last leaf is removed from a stalk, the stalk is cut 6" above the soil. [This leaves a handle for knocking off dirt from the root ball.] As soon thereafter as the soil dries to a crumbly state, I pry out the root with a shovel.

My opinion at this moment is that if I want more leaf, I'll increase the number of plants, rather than expend the time a resources to produce inferior leaf. Added to this, my total number of tobacco plants for 2013 was significantly higher than for 2012, and I've maxed out my hanging space.

Although many members have had success with sucker crops, and been satisfied with the quality of the leaf, that has not been my experience here in southwest Virginia.

Bob
 

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It may be worth noting that I use my tobacco for cigars and pipe blends. Suckers were just not up to grade for those purposes. For cigarettes, you have a lot more lattitude in the quality, especially if you use filtered tubes.

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As leaf mostly colors in the shed, I move it to my enclosed back porch. Once the stems are dried, I unhook one end of the wire, and allow the string to drop vertically, in order to conserve hanging space. When the hanging space in the shed backs up, I have to delay my priming. Of 20 varieties, only 3 have more than tip leaf remaining (Moonlight, Bolivia Criollo Black, Olor).

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The leaf with a greenish color are mostly mud lug, which experienced poor curing conditions.

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A single priming (3 leaves each) from 16 Bolivia Criollo Black plants. Behind me, I'm cloud-curing some Orientals.

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Man that's pretty Bob, I like the wire it works really well....
All most a shame to cure them they are so pretty...
 

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I like the "cloud-curing" method! :D
Excellent quality on these Bolivia Criollo!
 

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Impressive color, but seems a little lazy...the net is empty!
 

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Bolivia Criolo looks like tobacco from Padron fields. Perfect. This is something I want to grow next season.
 

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Last sunrise in August, 2013.

I have about 2 primings left of PA Red, Olor and Bolivia Criollo Black. Some others have a scattering of tip leaves that will come in soon.

I started flue-cure batch 5 in the Cozy Can, and will probably flue-cure the last priming of Bolivia next week. (Like last summer, my flue-cure season lasts about 5 to 6 weeks.) Then the Cozy Can will begin its endless winter slog of kilning.

I have to say that I'm more content, and less stressed, growing only 20 varieties this year (compared to 43 last year). And 6 of those were small, grow-out varieties. It's still too early to get a grip on what I've produced in 2013. I won't really know (beyond the flue-cured leaf) how they smoke until I've kilned some of each. By last count, I had 236 plants, so I need to set up more efficient storage for finished leaf. Between the shed and the enclosed back porch, I've managed to find space for all the leaf to hang.

Aphids were well controlled with dilute Dawn detergent--I sprayed the affected plants as soon as any aphids appeared. I had 3 distinct waves of hornworms, about 3 weeks apart. The max in one day was 15, with the larges being 1". Most were much smaller, since I scanned for them twice a day. All were picked off by hand.

My attempt at sun-curing is still limping along. I've manage to get a few hours of sun on the leaf most days. (I could swear there's a sensor in my shed door. The moment I take leaf out of the shed to hang in the sun, it hides behind thick clouds.) But so far, there is a distinct difference in appearance of sun vs. air vs. flue of the same varieties.

An observation: all the transplants that went into the ground crooked grew just fine. This year, only one of my tobacco plants (a Prilep) required staking, and that one was not crooked.

Bob
 

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Great post and you are having a great year. Some of you guys amaze me. I can't imagine keeping up with 20+ varieties and multiple curingmethods for each. I have my hands full with a first year 7. I
 
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