First grow documenting, Wild Aztec Rustica: @Pj654

[Pj654]

Added drop of glycerine too snuff made it much nicer. Still burns and makes my face tingle though. Clears the sinuses right up that's for sure
To best describe it, Is cozy and warm. It has something that normal tobacco doesn't. Could all be in my head too, but I swear something is much different. Like I just feel warm and nice.

 

[Pj654]

Welp it's done. I didn't really have time or room or money to set up a kiln. I liked the results so I just ground it all up.
Older large tobacco leaves - annoying to cure, and dry.
Younger tobacco leaves and smaller ones - easier to cure yellowed then browned with ease and dried, no hiccups
Not an huge notable difference in weight after processed, and failed to note any difference in terms of potency between the two, they both give me intense head rush and calmness.
I will be running experiment next year everything can go except flowering. I believe the over pruning etc was a result in many of them not growing, perhaps I went overboard, but all my largest plants where results of me messing " " up pruning. I do not think they like to be messed with be best to let them bush. As well growing conditions were not desirable. I will probably try some in pots next year. Aim to grow bushy plants and not as much going for large leaves? I guess.

After I'm done all my current stock of snuff I don't think I'll bother with regular tobacco nasal snuff at this point - for myself the effects of rustica is far superior, and last waaaaaaay longer (I feel the warmth and slight ease for 15-20 afterwards) even after blowing my nose I can feel it.

Overall sad I didn't get more then a couple oz of good usable tobacco flour but I've learned so much I'm very excited for next year.
Smell is a mix between regular nasal snuff slightly barn like with raisin, it does burn but goes away after a few seconds, I don't think I'll be adding carbonate or altering it at all as it gives me exactly what I want as is. I was hoping for a lb ( lol ) it was a small success but a success none the less.
Also noted all of my "younger" bushier small leaf plants where all 45+ days old at that point. Oldest largest where at least 2 months+

 

[Pj654]

Another note. Too strong I believe for "all day" purposes i take back my original statement. I will probably have to water some of this stuff down.
It's sincerely like a slap to the face. Only thing I can relate it to is 41 white elephant. There's almost a bleach like effect in sinuses upon first 3-4 seconds

 

[johnny108]

You could easily container grow an oriental on a windowsill. Xanthi, Canik, and Baffra Basma have a great smell as a leaf, but a very low nicotine content. (You all would truly love how my living room smells!)
These would probably make an excellent powder to drop the strength of your snuff.

For container growing on windowsills- use plastic pots. For outdoor container growing, use a fabric “grow bag” that air prunes the roots- better yields from what I’ve seen on the forum.

As for letting the Aztec grow how it wants?
A worthwhile experiment, but the massive number of small leaves make for a lot of work, and they will be weaker in nicotine.
Maybe try it both ways next year?

 

[StoneCarver]

I haven't kilned any of my Hopi N. rustica either and, like you, I don't see any need to. The smoke tastes great as is. This is definitely not a cat piss variety of N. rustica. Also, like yours, its potent. Mine certainly isn't the most potent you could come across but its up there; I have more potent tobacco that I bought. Also, my yield was very small too. I grew and harvested from around 50 plants but only got maybe a couple oz worth. I'll definitely be growing it again next year. I agree that it may not make much difference if the flower buds were topped or not given how prolifically these plants want to flower. I did do some topping but within a week or so I couldn't tell which plants I topped and which I didn't. So, I gave up on it and said "bring on the seeds".

 

[Pj654]

You could easily container grow an oriental on a windowsill. Xanthi, Canik, and Baffra Basma have a great smell as a leaf, but a very low nicotine content. (You all would truly love how my living room smells!)
These would probably make an excellent powder to drop the strength of your snuff.

For container growing on windowsills- use plastic pots. For outdoor container growing, use a fabric “grow bag” that air prunes the roots- better yields from what I’ve seen on the forum.

As for letting the Aztec grow how it wants?
A worthwhile experiment, but the massive number of small leaves make for a lot of work, and they will be weaker in nicotine.
Maybe try it both ways next year?

That's great to know thanks! I'll probably be done all my toque by next year ( I may have ordered couple lbs a year ago.. ) That's a great idea grow a couple lower ones along side.
I have used those fabric ones in past for veggies and weed, those are great!
Yah I will probably do a mix. The small leaves are annoying however the as long as the bushed out plants are mature it seems not to have changed potency for my experience so far..however...yah I didn't really think through towel drying several pounds of small leaf that would be a full-time job damn near lol.
Thanks for all the ideas !
I've been mixing my rustica snuff in gum and using it like nicorette, kinda odd I know, but it's actually pretty awesome it hits like a brick I think this is gonna be a trend for me in the future. It all stays on /in the gum, taste like minty snuff. I really like it tbh haha.
Thanks again for the ideas. I researched Xanthi last spring, my supplier has seeds too.

 

[Pj654]

I haven't kilned any of my Hopi N. rustica either and, like you, I don't see any need to. The smoke tastes great as is. This is definitely not a cat piss variety of N. rustica. Also, like yours, its potent. Mine certainly isn't the most potent you could come across but its up there; I have more potent tobacco that I bought. Also, my yield was very small too. I grew and harvested from around 50 plants but only got maybe a couple oz worth. I'll definitely be growing it again next year. I agree that it may not make much difference if the flower buds were topped or not given how prolifically these plants want to flower. I did do some topping but within a week or so I couldn't tell which plants I topped and which I didn't. So, I gave up on it and said "bring on the seeds".

Dang! From my research your suppose to get 50 grams a plant.. I still don't know exactly what made some grow and some not. Some of the biggest never got direct sun, some smaller got all day sun, some largest right by tree root some smaller far away etc etc etc. They went against all the rules so I'm really not sure . It's a strange plant though I don't think it wants to be messed with.
I've started today kneading my rustica into mint gum I REALLY like it lol. It's pretty odd but it works amazing, it all stays put in the gum and taste like minty snuff and it's effects are nice. I can see myself doing this in the future with different snuff I think too. Be nice when I cannot dip.

 

[Pj654]

You could easily container grow an oriental on a windowsill. Xanthi, Canik, and Baffra Basma have a great smell as a leaf, but a very low nicotine content. (You all would truly love how my living room smells!)
These would probably make an excellent powder to drop the strength of your snuff.

For container growing on windowsills- use plastic pots. For outdoor container growing, use a fabric “grow bag” that air prunes the roots- better yields from what I’ve seen on the forum.

As for letting the Aztec grow how it wants?
A worthwhile experiment, but the massive number of small leaves make for a lot of work, and they will be weaker in nicotine.
Maybe try it both ways next year?

Do you mean Windows grow as in indoors ?

 

[johnny108]

Yes. (Baffra Basma):

Do you mean Windows grow as in indoors ?

 

[Sergey Ukraine]

Yes. (Baffra Basma):
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What about seeds grown indoors? Do they mature and are they suitable for re-growing outdoors?

 

[deluxestogie]

The question of epigenetic changes in seed produced under one set of growing conditions affecting the growth of the next generation is not clearly answered. Although these are not alterations in the genes (but alterations in how genes are activated), there is some evidence that epigenetic changes resulting from specific growing conditions may persist for one or two subsequent generations grown from those seeds.

Short answer: maybe

Bob

 

[StoneCarver]

Maybe would be the correct answer. The specific growing conditions would have to be substantially different for epigenetic changes to occur. I just watched a documentary about the staple foods of certain native Americans prior to maize cultivation and how those plants changed just because they were being grown differently; importantly, the plants did not change because of seed selection for desired traits. Some experimental archeologists, obtained seeds from wild specimens, tried growing some of these plants in a garden and noticed how they grew differently just because of things like having more open space to branch out or not having the seeds pass through the digestive tract of an animal which caused the seeds to have thinner seed shells. These changes did not require "breeding" or seed selection to occur.

 

[Pj654]

Yes. (Baffra Basma):
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Ah interesting!

 

[Pj654]

Yes. (Baffra Basma):
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I see! Interesting ! I've got lots of lights around wonder how they'd do indoors under lights. Might be fun to mess around with

 

[johnny108]

Seeds have been collected from plants grown entirely under lights, and while epigenetic changes are not known, the seeds were viable. (Not by me- I believe it was Tofta.)
For me- the flower head always forms above the reach of the sunlight, and that’s when I harvest my Orientals, so I have never tested it- I just buy new.
(My containers are 2L- might be a bit too big for seeds, but I’m going for leaf!)

 

[Pj654]

Seeds have been collected from plants grown entirely under lights, and while epigenetic changes are not known, the seeds were viable. (Not by me- I believe it was Tofta.)
For me- the flower head always forms above the reach of the sunlight, and that’s when I harvest my Orientals, so I have never tested it- I just buy new.
(My containers are 2L- might be a bit too big for seeds, but I’m going for leaf!)

Cool stuff !
My snuff is really nice for bed. A cigarette will keep me up but this makes me feel so warm. Genuinely curious making a chew one day. I only need small amounts that's for sure.

 

[Pj654]

Some more snuff "finalized" it turned out real nice.
I've paired it with toque quit and it's really nice, I will without a doubt be mixing it all with that snuff most likely. Very happy with how it turned out. It's QUITE brutal by itself. I will leave some by itself for the sake of it but I'm really not gonna be using it much. Think I'll just leave this tin by itself rest will be tossed in to mix lol. I underestimated it long term, gets nose so runny and it's quite a lot of nicotine.