Flavourfull and aromatic tobacco for pipe smoking
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Alpine
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Yup, silver river would be in my grow list too, but it's a far too late maturing strain for my climate! I already struggle with 65 days to maturity strains...
Pier
Pier
That's an interesting point I had not been carefull of... I'll have to try to see if I can grow and mature some here in France
squeezyjohn
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I have similar issues with long season strains here in the UK too but two years ago Silver River grew amazingly well for me in the good summer we had and was easily ready for harvest by the end of August. It didn't do so well this year which was a really bad summer in comparison. I usually plant my seedlings out at the end of May here by the way ... and I'm further north than both Charly and Alpine.
I grew Bolivian Criollo Black last year and this year ... and both times it made handsome plants, but this years was much later to ripen and a lower yield.
The great thing about both these strains is that they air-cure in far less time than most so you can leave them on the plants much longer to mature without worrying about having the weather to cure them.
I grew Bolivian Criollo Black last year and this year ... and both times it made handsome plants, but this years was much later to ripen and a lower yield.
The great thing about both these strains is that they air-cure in far less time than most so you can leave them on the plants much longer to mature without worrying about having the weather to cure them.
I believe that you can get them right well, in the end of the growing season you can stalk cure them.And let the bags sit over the flowers during the drying process, when I grow late variants The Bag save the flowers from the first frost night if it needs.. And the flower keep alive long enough to get you new seed.
Know that some grower in Canada also do it that way.
Yes to try is the only way to find out. I believe you can do it even if the end of season will become a fight against the clock..That's an interesting point I had not been carefull of... I'll have to try to see if I can grow and mature some here in France
Here in Sweden have been the best year in many years this season. But my own grow have been almost normal, most because I was needed to start new seed and after that I didn't want to take any risk.. So I am very happy to hear from other grower in Sweden that are match more happy with their year..
Alpine
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Of course Squeezy you're in a northern location, but i'm at 1200 meters above sea level... We had 7 degrees C in mid june this year, and it snowed two weeks ago... And this has been a good year lol!!! It's +1C right now, and the fireplace has been lit early this morning... Fellow growers in Scandinavia or Canada know what i mean. Curing is the main issue here, and a strain that matures in 90 or so days would be difficult to bring to full maturity and almost impossible to cure without dedicated space (that, alas, i don't have). So early maturity is foremost for me, and i grow something different every year in order to find those 3 or 4 strains that mature early, cure easily and taste good (and give good yelds)! Maybe it's easier to find a white fly hehehe
Pier
Pier
Late maturing varieties can be topped to make them ripen . My silver river had no blooms showing when I topped them . I waited a little over three weeks before I harvested SR .
Topping tobacco before bloom heads start showing is best for any tobacco .
My commercial burley we would ' bud " top unless there was a lot of short or uneven plants in the field .
I have seen tobacco that was waist high have just as good and sometimes better leaves than the tallest tobacco .
My video of silver river , the tobacco was not showing any bloom bud when we topped it .
Topping tobacco before bloom heads start showing is best for any tobacco .
My commercial burley we would ' bud " top unless there was a lot of short or uneven plants in the field .
I have seen tobacco that was waist high have just as good and sometimes better leaves than the tallest tobacco .
My video of silver river , the tobacco was not showing any bloom bud when we topped it .
Very good point Pier you know your own garden best! I know that it is different between the location's in Sweden so I can understand the difference between different countries..
Can you recommend any specific high to topping silver river?
Alpine
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Or number of leaves? How much early topping will shorten time to harvest BigB?
Pier
Pier
ChinaVoodoo
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I'm not sure, but I think keeping on the suckers helped with plant maturity. Last year, we had way more sun, less rain, and later frost, but this year everything matured better and cured more easily.
Other possibility is heavier but 100% organic fertilizer this year vs lighter but chemical fertilizer last year.
Two years ago, curing was very difficult because of September snow. I picked way too early and have since learned that I should have just left it despite the snow.
Next year, I'm not going to worry about days to maturity, because I think the plant just knows fall is coming and that dtm is more relative than absolute.
Other possibility is heavier but 100% organic fertilizer this year vs lighter but chemical fertilizer last year.
Two years ago, curing was very difficult because of September snow. I picked way too early and have since learned that I should have just left it despite the snow.
Next year, I'm not going to worry about days to maturity, because I think the plant just knows fall is coming and that dtm is more relative than absolute.
I would not force them too young but in my Silver river video was no way near showing a bloom bud . Even though topped without the bloom bud showing the leaves will still color cure with top leaves being darker in color .
Topping before bloom bud shows will allow the leaves to grow larger . I like to top all my tobacco in early bud stage , Ct Broad leaf , Pa Wrapper , Maryland , Burley , Bright leaf , Havana , Bursa , etc.
My son is 6'2" , tobacco topped is right at shoulders or arm pits . On down the rows some plants in about 30 section of those rows was around two foot shorter than what he was cutting but produced the same quality tobacco .
In cold location / freezing temperatures it is best to keep green tobacco in a place where it won't freeze after you hang the stalks or leaves . I had some a couple of years ago and after it freezes while still green / yellow it will look like you have spilled oil on the leaves and will not cure out right . I still have some of that tobacco around , if anyone wants a picture of it .
My best field of burley , we topped it without any blooms showing . The plants may be bigger in parts of the field while shorter in small section of the field . Topping the entire field at the same time was best
This years tobacco was really weedy because of the rain . We could not get in our field to work . Plus growing organic I used composted cow manure and leftover un eaten hay that contained some weeds . This seeded my organic field and caused more weeds than usual .
The tobacco on the right is yellow twist . I didn't have time to top some of it and it still shows full bloom .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ7A9Pft-G4
Topping before bloom bud shows will allow the leaves to grow larger . I like to top all my tobacco in early bud stage , Ct Broad leaf , Pa Wrapper , Maryland , Burley , Bright leaf , Havana , Bursa , etc.
My son is 6'2" , tobacco topped is right at shoulders or arm pits . On down the rows some plants in about 30 section of those rows was around two foot shorter than what he was cutting but produced the same quality tobacco .
In cold location / freezing temperatures it is best to keep green tobacco in a place where it won't freeze after you hang the stalks or leaves . I had some a couple of years ago and after it freezes while still green / yellow it will look like you have spilled oil on the leaves and will not cure out right . I still have some of that tobacco around , if anyone wants a picture of it .
My best field of burley , we topped it without any blooms showing . The plants may be bigger in parts of the field while shorter in small section of the field . Topping the entire field at the same time was best
This years tobacco was really weedy because of the rain . We could not get in our field to work . Plus growing organic I used composted cow manure and leftover un eaten hay that contained some weeds . This seeded my organic field and caused more weeds than usual .
The tobacco on the right is yellow twist . I didn't have time to top some of it and it still shows full bloom .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ7A9Pft-G4
Bigbonner: Thanks for your answer! Really great to have you here. I have study the video clip and it seems like you. Have saved 12-14 leaf's really normal high to topping tobacco. When I topping "Green Brior" (one of the best burley I ever growing) I think it saved me around 2 week to topping. And didn't seems like I got less tobacco from a topped plant than a plant I just take away the flowers from.I most say that I don't topping my plant normally because I don't have time to take care of the tobacco earlier but if I don't need to do it I shore will topping from this day...
Here is one with my son topping tobacco . You will see him topping smaller plants that will grow out and have as good of a leaf as bigger tobacco . Rain / ground moisture is the key for tobacco growth after topping .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyJc9ywMFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKyJc9ywMFM
Gavroche
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Bigbonner.. I am stunned! I believed that it was only necessary to deprive the bud of flower!
And moreover, you throw(cast) the leaves of head that we say to be the most perfumed...
And moreover, you throw(cast) the leaves of head that we say to be the most perfumed...
I do not understand clearly : do you say that toping the plant make the plant mature sooner ?
From my little experience (only one year ) I saw that the plants on which I left the flowers and the suckers matured earlier than the other plants...
The plants on which I removed the flowers and the suckers seemed to fight against me for growing flowers at all cost, and during this time the leaves grew bigger but take longer to mature.
From my little experience (only one year
) I saw that the plants on which I left the flowers and the suckers matured earlier than the other plants... The plants on which I removed the flowers and the suckers seemed to fight against me for growing flowers at all cost, and during this time the leaves grew bigger but take longer to mature.
I do not understand clearly : do you say that toping the plant make the plant mature sooner ?
From my little experience (only one year
The plants on which I removed the flowers and the suckers seemed to fight against me for growing flowers at all cost, and during this time the leaves grew bigger but take longer to mature.
Topping tobacco lets the growth that the bloom takes up go to the leaves . Here is a picture of that exact same tobacco as in our topping video , three weeks after topping . See how the leaves grew a lot bigger . The tobacco is ripe and there is some suckers growth because no Sucker control was added . Yes it will mature sooner .
That's very interesting, but exactly the opposite of what I saw on my crop (the maturing speed)..... how is it possible ?
I agree that the topped plants grew bigger leaves, but they matured later...
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