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Jack in NB

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We had our first frost Monday night. Cars, roofs, plants nicely frosted. Earliest in many years.

Got the hose out before daylight and hosed down the tobacco, tomatoes, peppers. No evidence of burn when the sun came out.

I harvested and hung most of the remaining leaves on the tobacco on Monday, leaving two or three leaves on the stalks - we should get a bit more growth before the killer comes along.

About a third of the seed pods have ripened at this point. If the killer is forecast in the next few days, I'll move the stalks inside to let the seed finish ripening.
 

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Going good and good plan. WE had the first light frost here this AM and I cleaned up the patch yesterday. Patch sure look barren now. Nothing growing but steel support pipes and they don't have many leaves.

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i picked the last three sucker plants this morning. i have been having to heat the shed everyday now. i just have to clean up the mess now so it will be easier in the spring to get started again.
 

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If it ever really happens (global warming), we as a people will do what we did last time...make the adjustment. Humans existed during the last Ice Age and survived.

I'd bet that tundra would grow some dandy tobacco once it thaws.
 

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Unfortunately, in all of the 5 mass extinction epochs in the history of life on earth (6 if you count the present), the brunt of the ultimate extinctions of species (95% of all existing species during the end-Permian extinction, which was likely due to climate change) is borne by those species near or at the top of their food chains.

Being at the top of a food chain implies a dependency on a complex web of food species (plant or animal). Massive perturbations of these webs are most likely to knock off the physically largest representatives of a family of organisms, as well as those species dependent on a greater complexity of the ecological system--the top predators.

Forget humans. We're toast. (May as well sign up for the one-way Mars mission.) But what about tobacco? Given that Nicotiana tabacum and, nearly to the same extent, N. rustica are domesticated, have been propagated by humans for probably 12,000 years or more, and usually do not spontaneously spill enough seed from their seed pods to maintain an untended stand for more than a few years, these two species are unlikely to survive a multi-decade (more likely multi-century) climatic disturbance (with the only surviving humans fading away on Mars). Non-cultivated species of Nicotiana would have a better chance of surviving.

Maybe the next top predator will figure out the tobacco domestication process, using the surviving Nicotiana species. If only we could find a way to pass along a copy of the FTT forum for them.

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What will happen to the two surviving species, cockroaches and lawyers?
You're touching a tender subject here with me. Lawyers will go early as the group they live off will be among the first to go and they are totally unable live off the land and to sustain themselves in any way.

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All the sinking islanders (samoa.etc)around nz are now going to raise their coast levels with all their rubbish,, cause they're also running out of room to bury it...I dont kniw how well that will work...rubbish will end up all over the Pacific??
 

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All the sinking islanders (samoa.etc)around nz are now going to raise their coast levels with all their rubbish,, cause they're also running out of room to bury it...I dont kniw how well that will work...rubbish will end up all over the Pacific??

Didn't know about the NZ thing but there is a floating mass of plastic rubbish in the Pacific that is twice the size of Texas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7rNYzSH-BA
 

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Look on the bright side, after we run out of oil we will run out of plastic. Or as The Great Pooh Bear said: "And it came to pass that the hairless apes squandered away the mineral oil, and went back to mining tin for their trinkets, and hunting whales for their lubricating oil."
 

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All the sinking islanders (samoa.etc)around nz are now going to raise their coast levels with all their rubbish,, cause they're also running out of room to bury it...I dont kniw how well that will work...rubbish will end up all over the Pacific??

Manhattan
 

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Global warming forecasts wrong, says UN report

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/na...g-says-un-report/story-fni0xqrb-1226720435324

THE United Nation's latest investigation into climate change reportedly admits the world has been warming at only just over half the rate it had claimed in 2007.

According to the UK's Daily Mail newspaper, a leaked draft of the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) latest assessment of the state of the climate and global warming - AR5 - says the earth has been warming at a rate of 0.12C each decade since 1951.

But it says the last major IPCC report, released in 2007 and called AR4, claimed the planet was warming at a rate of 0.2C every decade.

Australian scientists who have questioned the way the IPCC assessments predict the rate of climate change and the impact of man-made pollution on the earth's warming, said on Monday the leaked report confirmed forecasts of imminent doom were drastically wrong. ...continues



Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...o-actually-were-cooling-claim-scientists.html

A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling. There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, the equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes.

A leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) seen by the Mail on Sunday, has led some scientists to claim that the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century.

If correct, it would contradict computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming. The news comes several years after the BBC predicted that the arctic would be ice-free by 2013.

Despite the original forecasts, major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

The original predictions led to billions being invested in green measures to combat the effects of climate change.

The changing predictions have led to the UN's climate change's body holding a crisis meeting, and the IPCC is due to report on the situation in October. A pre-summit meeting will be held later this month.

But the leaked documents are said to show that the governments who fund the IPCC are demanding 1,500 changes to the Fifth Assessment Report - a three-volume study issued every six or seven years – as they claim its current draft does not properly explain the pause.

The extent to which temperatures will rise with carbon dioxide levels and how much of the warming over the past 150 years, a total of 0.8C, is down to human greenhouse gas emissions are key issues in the debate.

The IPCC says it is “95 per cent confident” that global warming has been caused by humans - up from 90 per cent in 2007 – according to the draft report.

However, US climate expert Professor Judith Curry has questioned how this can be true as that rather than increasing in confidence, “uncertainty is getting bigger” within the academic community.

Long-term cycles in ocean temperature, she said, suggest the world may be approaching a period similar to that from 1965 to 1975, when there was a clear cooling trend.

At the time some scientists forecast an imminent ice age.

Professor Anastasios Tsonis, of the University of Wisconsin, said: "We are already in a cooling trend, which I think will continue for the next 15 years at least. There is no doubt the warming of the 1980s and 1990s has stopped.”

The IPCC is said to maintain that their climate change models suggest a pause of 15 years can be expected. Other experts agree that natural cycles cannot explain all of the recorded warming.
 
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