How Cavendish Ages - some thoughts

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Generally, the "aging" that we discuss with regard to tobacco is the enzymatic process of oxidation of proteins and carbohydrates by two oxidase enzymes contained within the leaf. But these two enzymes are denatured (destroyed) at ~141°F for the primary oxidase and at ~191°F for the slower, peroxidase enzyme. Kilning preserves both. Flue-curing denatures the oxidase, but usually spares the peroxidase. So even flue-cured tobacco can continue to age.

The Cavendish process uses steam (at ~212°F), and surely destroys both of these enzymes. So how does it age thereafter?

My assumption has been that Cavendish simply does not age further. I was wrong. This past week, I stumbled into two different batches of my Cavendish that were simply unsmokable at the time they were produced. I saved them in sealed bags in low case, and forgot about them. These were from my 2013 crop. The two varieties were Bolivia Criollo Black and Guácharo (from the Venezuelan highlands). They are similar varieties, both producing robust plants with long, narrow leaves, and both having a terpene taste (like terpentine) that I find unpleasant. I'm sure that they are quite close genetically.

The first of these that I discovered was unlabeled -- the only instance of that ever for me. It was a deep brown, and had been Cavendish-cut (stacked and pressed into a block that was then cut into plug, and sliced). So I smoked a bowl of it, and discovered a rich, enjoyable, not-too-strong tobacco. I assumed it was some sort of Cavendish-processed tobacco. After smoking several bowls, I discovered its little Tyvek label, buried within the tobacco. "Bolivia Criollo Black 2013 Leaf". I was stunned. It had no terpene taste, and was delicious.

Today, I dug around my land of forgotten toys, and found another abandoned Cavendish, which was labeled. "Guácharo 2013 Mud Lugs Cavendish". I remembered casting this aside years ago, in disgust. Today, I smelled it, and was again surprised. It smelled wonderful. A dark brown Cavendish, fully shredded. It is a joy to smoke.

So how did it age, with no oxidase enzymes?

I think, in this case, the answer is simple. What I originally found fatally objectionable about both of these was their awful, terpene smell and taste. The terpenes are not oxidized away, but rather, they volatilize--the terpenes just evaporate over time, like paint thinner. That's the primary reason these two varieties are now nice tobacco. They both lost (by evaporation) their awful terpenes.

The aromas and tastes of various natural tobaccos are also influenced by the presence of aldols, aldehydes and long chain alcohols, in distinct combinations. AND these are also volatile to some extent. This is why 20+ year old cigars generally aren't as flavorful or complex as they originally were.

This, I believe, is the genuine "slow boat" of tobacco aging. It happens over multiples of years. That suggests that many of your home-created tobaccos that were a disappointment should be stashed away and forgotten. Check back in a few years.

I encourage other members to add their thoughts on the subject to this thread.

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I agree with your hypothesis.
I would also say that there are lots of changes in the immediate short term as well. 1. Via pressure cooker method, the color dramatically changes (gets darker) over the course of a week. 2. The acid level and tongue bite decreases over the course of a month.

I hypothesize this is oxidation via mild organic and inorganic acids which either were formed in the process or released through the breakdown of the cell walls of the tobacco. That would explain why tongue bite decreases. Acids can verywell be slow acting. Consider that iron doesn't instantly rust away in the presence of acid, but instead corrodes at a rate which is dependent on humidity, oxygen level, concentration, strength of specific acid, and chemical content and quality of the corroding substrate.
 
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Indubitably! :)

Besides temperature, pH also plays an important role in the ability of these enzymes to function.
Perhaps with the somewhat "sweet spot" that tobacco lies in, it has better resistance to the heat and retains functional molecules.
 

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The great archaeological dig continues:

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I pulled out some fire-cured Shirazi from my large humidor. It's lived in there since 2011. I started with green leaf hung in a cold container until it had yellowed, but not fully colored to brown. Then it was fired over charcoal, oak splints, split apple wood and bark-on maple branches. The fire was built 2 or 3 times a day, and continued for 1 month. Temps were eventually allowed to rise to 180°F.

This leaf tasted interesting and quite smoky a month after completion of the firing, but the taste and aroma were pretty intense, and not all that smokable. I lightly pressed the fire-cured leaf into a loose slab, placed it into a gallon Ziploc, and stashed it in the humidor. There it sat, until today.

So it has subsequently aged 7 years since being fire-cured. As I type this, I'm smoking a bowl of it straight. The smokiness is subdued, without recognizable wood characteristics. The taste and aroma are soft and full, and a lovely smoke.

In this instance, I started off in 2011 with a complex mixture of pyrogenic compounds that had been created by the heat and smoke. And the Shirazi had never really fully color-cured. So, in addition to the slow aging (oxidation) of the residual proteins and carbs, the potent mix of introduced compounds have completed whatever chemical interactions were possible. A mix of volatile compounds has had a chance to dissipate.

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Time an oxygen will make even the hardest rocks decompose.

I always thought it would be an interesting experiment to store low to medium case tobacco, that is, low enough case to prevent mold, in a (nearly) pure oxygen environment to see how said environment would influence the aging process. Just an idea...

All I can say for sure, is that long term aging of tobacco definitely mellows the finished goods.

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I always thought it would be an interesting experiment to store low to medium case tobacco, that is, low enough case to prevent mold, in a (nearly) pure oxygen environment to see how said environment would influence the aging process. Just an idea...
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I tried that once. I was trying to induce mold to grow on my tobacco so I could learn how to prevent it. I packed a mason jar with tobacco and flushed it with oxygen. I also flushed one with nitrogen and kept one as a control. The tobacco was in very heavy case. Unfortunately none of them grew mold. I did not think to sample any at the time but I think it's time to start another experiment.
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect that the time scales of tobacco aging vs geologic aging may differ somewhat.

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Bob:

True, but the same principals apply. It takes a lot longer to age a feldspar crystal due to its crystalline nature. There are some pretty strong bonds there. But eventually it oxidizes and loses one of its metal ions and it becomes clay. Organic compounds are very much more fragile, and will break down on a much shorter time scale that we humans can actually see.

Oxidation zone geology in sulfide deposits is an entire field of study of its own. (Pegmatites are much more interesting to me.)

Actually, I have been to a mine in Utah, where they mine beryllium. They dig the deposits, heap them up on the surface where the material is exposed to the sun and the weather and the atmosphere for ten years. After ten years, the desirable material is sufficiently oxidized to allow for easier extraction of the beryllium. 50% of all the beryllium mined in the US comes from that one mine. Beryllium is an important material in aluminum and copper alloys as well as the nuclear industry. Nuclear fuel rod casings are made from beryllium metal due to beryllium's ability to readily absorb neutrons.

The point of my digression is that even rocks can decompose with sufficient rapidity to be observed on the human time scale. Oxygen is a very powerful molecule.

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I put Piloto Cubano saturated with water in a keg filled with co2 in my kiln at 144°F for three weeks. They did not mold but there was definitely some sort of funky fermentation. They were the really small top leaves. I've been kilning them in normal case for a few months and they have almost lost the funk and smoke quite well.
 

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It seems that the CO2 and water combination would give you high carbonic acid concentrations. I have no idea what that would do with tobacco.

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Thank you gentlemen for your observations.

I don't have a lot of experience with cavendish, I just tried to make a few small quantities two years ago and I did not let them age, so I don't know if they aged well :D
Some were not too bad, but others were not good at all, I think I might not have done it properly...
I remember that some of them didn't want to burn at all (I was relighting them at each sip...)

But I also made a plug of cherry red (virginia) one year and a half ago, it was a little bit too wet and begun to get some mold on it, so I cut all the moldy edges and put the plug in the oven, at 90°C (194°F) for a few hours, it's been a few months now that I did not touch it, I think it's time to see if it evolved in a good way.
I have to find a moment to smoke some (maybe tomorrow or as soon as I can) and I'll report my observations.

I will try to make some new cavendish soon to see if I can achieve something better, and I have to say that what you wrote is very encouraging :)
 

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Back in 2011, I collected all of the dried blossoms of each tobacco variety that I grew. They were kept in separate bags. Once they were well "color-cured", I smoked a few pipe bowls of blossoms (mentioned in Buffalo Bird Woman's Garden). At that time, they were floral (Ha!), mild and passable as a smoke. I noticed a recognizable difference from one blossom variety to another.

Today, I unearthed a gallon bag in which all of the small blossom Ziplocks were stored. At the moment, I'm smoking a bowl of 7 year old blossoms from Xanthi-Yaka #18A. I stuff the whole blossoms into the bowl as though it were a Cavendish-cut tobacco, then pack them down well.

It's as smooth as possible. Nicotine is present, but low. I detect no distinctive Xanthi aroma, although I do sense a vague "Turkish" flavor. Burn is excellent. I recall that smoking blossoms was not all that enjoyable (too floral and not flavorful enough), but this is actually pretty good--after all these years.

The catch is that it is a tedious, time-consuming task to collect not very much weight of blossoms which, after curing, are simply smokable. With age, they are rather nice to smoke, but I believe too labor-intensive to be worth the effort.

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So even the blossoms change with long years. Perhaps the most noticeable alteration is that the somewhat cloying, floral element of them has dissipated, leaving a delicate tobacco aroma.

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Thanks for sharing this, Bob !
I thought I was the only one who saved some blossoms :D :D :D
I harvested the dry blossoms on some plants I grew in 2016, they had a very floral smell (Ha !), so I did not smoke any yet, but maybe I should now :)
 

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You should note from the study abstract that the bacteria were intentionally inoculated into a tobacco concentrate liquid that was then incubated at 30°C. I'm not sure how that would apply to low humidity Cavendish aging, though it might be a possibility with CV's potion.

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Just was lurking on google patents for "tabacco aging" and "tobacco alcoholates" I'm only a few decades behind ya on studies.
 
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