Madole or orinoco seeds
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The only way you are going to get Madole seeds is to take some regular seeds and perhaps toast them in the oven. Madole leaf is not specific to a certain variety it is obtained by fermenting longer and at higher temps.
BarG
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Where do you learn this?. Is nicotine the new old high. I like the old fashioned methods best . Komoto no offense but how old are you and where did you learn about this for an old f--rs sake.
CoralReefs
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Hmmmm.... Madole... Maduro... Eh, whats the difference! They all make cigars!
BarG
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You say madole I say Maduro, I say tomato you say tomato. My ciiigar smokkkes better than yooouuur cigar.
I'm growing a high concentration variety this year because I'm hoping it produces # anything# at all! 
I stand corrected!. The original post requested MADOLE, which I misread as MADURO. So to answer, I think the Seedman sells several Madole varieties as well as Coffinails (in the UK, not sure of the spelling).
BarG
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Coffinails was the origin for MCX.
Madole is a fire-cure variety that is grown commercially in South-side Virginia. Like most fire-cure varieties (and dark air-cured), it tends to be strong, dark green and sticky, and is often used for making chew and snuff. It's also available at New Hope Seed: http://www.newhopeseed.com/madole_tobacco.html
Orinoco (from present day Venezuela--the Orinoco River) is the variety that was brought into Virginia to replace the poorly marketable N. rustica that the early colonists had been growing and trying to sell to Europe. The introduction of Orinoco to Virginia allowed colonial tobacco growing to finally become commercially successful. Today, Orinoco is available in a number of varieties, and is generally classed as a flue-cured variety, and is a progenitor of many other flue-cured varieties. This summer, I'll be growing White Stem Orinoco and Yellow Orinoco. Both of these are available from New Hope Seed.
Although a small number of home growers have reported that their tobacco is too mild, I believe that most home growers have the opposite problem--their tobacco is sometimes too strong or too harsh. Most burleys contain two to five times the nicotine of many flue-cure varieties. One of the reasons that barely color-cured burley is so strong and harsh is that the oxidation process has not yet reduced the nicotine levels.
Also, the upper leaves of any variety will be stronger than the lower leaves, often dramatically so, especially if the plant has been topped to a smaller number of leaves.
Bob
Orinoco (from present day Venezuela--the Orinoco River) is the variety that was brought into Virginia to replace the poorly marketable N. rustica that the early colonists had been growing and trying to sell to Europe. The introduction of Orinoco to Virginia allowed colonial tobacco growing to finally become commercially successful. Today, Orinoco is available in a number of varieties, and is generally classed as a flue-cured variety, and is a progenitor of many other flue-cured varieties. This summer, I'll be growing White Stem Orinoco and Yellow Orinoco. Both of these are available from New Hope Seed.
Although a small number of home growers have reported that their tobacco is too mild, I believe that most home growers have the opposite problem--their tobacco is sometimes too strong or too harsh. Most burleys contain two to five times the nicotine of many flue-cure varieties. One of the reasons that barely color-cured burley is so strong and harsh is that the oxidation process has not yet reduced the nicotine levels.
Also, the upper leaves of any variety will be stronger than the lower leaves, often dramatically so, especially if the plant has been topped to a smaller number of leaves.
Bob
I overwintered a yellow orinoco plant (the only seed from the seedman to sprout out of the entire pack I should add) that started too late last year to plant. It suckered in the window and I removed the suckers and am seeing if they will root, if they do I will plant them this year. Will make for an interesting observation if nothing else.
CoralReefs
Suburban baccy farmer
You say "potato", Dan Quayle says "potatoe"
CoralReefs
Suburban baccy farmer
Seedman is where I got the Madole I am growing right now. I know I also got some Orinoco (it was either Yellow Orinoco or Lizard Tail Orinoco, I do not remember for sure) from him about 5-6 years ago (where are those damned seeds anyway, I have like 20 varieties around here somewhere...).
BarG
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You have or you are growing it. Now tell me cause I like orinaco blanco. But orinaco yellow may be a close second. Man I'm doing good today coral, your not havin a rough day are you. You see my calm cool collected face at the top.
BarG
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Thanks for that post Bob.
CoralReefs
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You have or you are growing it. Now tell me cause I like orinaco blanco. But orinaco yellow may be a close second. Man I'm doing good today coral, your not havin a rough day are you. You see my calm cool collected face at the top.
You need a feisty face!
Madole I am currently growing. One them Orinocos I bought seeds for years ago but do not currently have any that I am aware of. Luckily my little seedlings are starting to hit their growth spurts. Looks like I will be catching up with Chicken in no time!
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