Robncars Dip Tobacco trials

[Robncars]

Need more time to properly post everything but I wanted to get this thread started.
I'm growing (just started this plant inside) Wintergreen Plant - Gaultheria procumbens, to use in flavoring my dip.
I also have some Fronto and N. Rustica plants started.
I ordered 2 pounds of N. Rustica leaves to add into some Fronto dip I've made. I use a blender to chop the leaves into a Copenhagen snuff like consistency. After taking out stems and running the leaves through the blender I have a 1 gallon ziplock bag pretty full but it only weighs a little over a pound.

 

[Robncars]

My latest recipe:
1-12 oz can of old orchard juice concentrate.
I lb. of tobacco leaves- I use a blender to make them about the same as Copenhagen snuff.
2-tbsp of coarse salt- I use pink Himalayan I dont know why.
I tsp cumin
1tsp cardamom
1-cup hot water
Mix hot water cumin and cardamom set aside

Boil juice. Add tobacco while still boiling add water mix and stir in. Shut off heat. Allow to cool. Mix will be like taffy. Add 1 cup water and heat up. Mix thoroughly. Should be more like snuff now. Freeze for 1 week then pull out and shelf it in individual cans. Use as needed.

 

[Robncars]

I'm going with either cumin or cardamom next batch. This batch has burned my tongue. I added 1 cup of Rustica and mixed it with 6 cans of already made snuff. Dry so I added 1/8 cup water and 1 tbsp salt. Heated it up and let it cool. Made 8 cans of snuff. That cup of Rustica added a new flavor. No idea how to describe it. Wife won't try it to tell me what taste it is so you guys are SOL. LMAO.

 

[Robncars]

Ok. Made this batch entirely too wet. 6 lbs of fermenting tobacco. (I can taste the alcohol....) Tried to use the oven to dehydrate it. Pretty sure I'll be getting kicked out of the house before Home Office let's that happen again. If I get a flash of brilliant idea I'll post it.

 

[Robncars]

Ok. Made this batch entirely too wet. 6 lbs of fermenting tobacco. (I can taste the alcohol....) Tried to use the oven to dehydrate it. Pretty sure I'll be getting kicked out of the house before Home Office let's that happen again. If I get a flash of brilliant idea I'll post it.

In a fit of brilliance I threw a crock pot and a metal fan in the combi-oven. I dehydrated 3 pans of tobacco. Got it back to a nice earthy smell. it's too dry but I'm not going there again. I'll moisten smaller batches at a time.

 

[plantdude]

I have a very primitive recipe for a quick batch. The main part you might find useful is the mention of sodium carbonate.

Fermenting leaves for dip

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I've seen a few people reference squeezyjohns recipe as well. It sounds good but I never got that complicated.

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If I screwed the link up his post is the first one listed under the smokeless tobaco forum. Good luck and let's us know if you find a good recipe.

 

[Robncars]

Some finer points i should mention @plantdude I use Nicotiana Rustica. I would not mix sodium carbonate with N. Rustica. Not if you want to stay focused. But if you want that first dip experience again with the spinning and green around the gills, by all means. My dip is 50/50 Low grade burley and rustica. I dont dare add sodium carbonate. Its got a pretty good kick as it is. LMAO

 

[plantdude]

Some finer points i should mention @plantdude I use Nicotiana Rustica. I would not mix sodium carbonate with N. Rustica. Not if you want to stay focused. But if you want that first dip experience again with the spinning and green around the gills, by all means. My dip is 50/50 Low grade burley and rustica. I dont dare add sodium carbonate. Its got a pretty good kick as it is. LMAO

Yeah, I saw you mentioned rustica and figured that would give it a good kick. The few batches I've made have been fairly pleasant and not too strong, I didn't use rustica though. With all the flavoring and cooking that goes into making dip I'm curious if it would hide the flavor and provide some use for leaf that has cured on the green side. You ever try mixing in some green leaf?

 

[Robncars]

I haven't even got my first crop done myself I have used leaf from online. The N. Rustica has a somewhat green tinge to it. It seems to blend fine. I may have to experiment this fall after my first harvest.

 

[Tenneasee snuffer]

I haven't even got my first crop done myself I have used leaf from online. The N. Rustica has a somewhat green tinge to it. It seems to blend fine. I may have to experiment this fall after my first harvest.

That sounds like a great recipe. How is the taste

 

[Robncars]

That sounds like a great recipe. How is the taste

I actually like it a lot. Way better than commercial. My recipe is kind of offhand. A handful of salt a can of juice and some glycerin per pound.
Im planning on making it more streamlined after this harvest

 

[Robncars]

Ok just for record keeping this is my first dip batch made with the first flue cured tobacco grown in the first years garden.
A lot of firsts for me

Im going to age it as long as I can before I try it but I think I have about 3 days lol

 

[plantdude]

Ok just for record keeping this is my first dip batch made with the first flue cured tobacco grown in the first years garden.
A lot of firsts for me
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Im going to age it as long as I can before I try it but I think I have about 3 days lol

I'm not sure I would use that to top your pumpkin or apple pie A new type of cool whip dip

 

[Robncars]

So i got this Hygrometer and I think I'll like it a lot better. It tracks temp and humidity but it only goes to 140 degrees. F. So I'll have to take it out after the yellowing stage.

 

[plantdude]

So i got this Hygrometer and I think I'll like it a lot better. It tracks temp and humidity but it only goes to 140 degrees. F. So I'll have to take it out after the yellowing stage.

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Kinda appears like the baby is looking over going, "how the hell is this thing supposed to work?"

 

[Robncars]

I was giving this recipe to another when I realized i should probably put it here....
Latest dip recipe
15 cups (15oz) tobacco flour
2- 12oz apple juice
44 oz water
1/2 cup glycerin
1/2 cup salt ( i use pink Himalayan)
2 tbsp cumin
Bring juice to a boil lower heat, but hold boil,, slowly mix in water glycerin salt and cumin mixing pretty well. Then add tobacco, turn off heat. Put it in a crockpot for 24hrs at about 165⁰F.

On a side note I dont use stems. (I use secondary veins cause I'm not that picky) I grind the leaves. Put em in the blender for a minute until all the big parts are chopped.
I watched a cigar making video from Cuba where the cigar maker called the stem poison. He lit the stem when asked about it and it was black burning. He said they use the stems to make pesticide. That contradicts what I've learned that the stems carry no nicotine. I do keep a bag of chopped stems in case I make the dip a little too wet.
On that note this latest batch has been a bit dry. Im going to add another 1/2 cup water to my next batch.
My dip does tend to be a bit spongy but it doesn't really bother me. It packs good. It seems to be more spongy with the larger tobacco flour. The smaller flour doesn't tend to get a spongy texture I've noticed.
And be careful with the salt. I added too much to 1 batch and it was burning my mouth. I made a whole new batch but added half the salt. Didn't do much so I made another batch with no salt and mixed all 3 for a really good mix.

 

[deluxestogie]

Cuba where the cigar maker called the stem poison. He lit the stem when asked about it and it was black burning. He said they use the stems to make pesticide. That contradicts what I've learned that the stems carry no nicotine.

The poison in tobacco is the alkaloid called nicotine. Stems, when properly cured, burn well. Stems generally contain lower levels of nicotine than the leaf lamina. Stems, rather than lamina, are used in pesticide manufacture, because stems are otherwise often discarded as trash.

Stems are a nuisance for making cigars, because they poke holes, can be difficult to clip, and can poke your tongue. Stems are routinely ground as a component of snus. Stems in some form are included in some chew recipes. (The sample chew recipe from UKy had 5.8% stems by weight of finished blend, or roughly 10% of the dry tobacco weight.) Stems are "expanded" (vacuum puffed, like puffed wheat breakfast cereal) then rolled flat and shredded for blending into commercial cigarette filler.

Bob

 

[Robncars]

The poison in tobacco is the alkaloid called nicotine. Stems, when properly cured, burn well. Stems generally contain lower levels of nicotine than the leaf lamina. Stems, rather than lamina, are used in pesticide manufacture, because stems are otherwise often discarded as trash.

Stems are a nuisance for making cigars, because they poke holes, can be difficult to clip, and can poke your tongue. Stems are routinely ground as a component of snus. Stems in some form are included in some chew recipes. (The sample chew recipe from UKy had 5.8% stems by weight of finished blend, or roughly 10% of the dry tobacco weight.) Stems are "expanded" (vacuum puffed, like puffed wheat breakfast cereal) then rolled flat and shredded for blending into commercial cigarette filler.

Bob

Ok so I was wrong it has nicotine just less

 

[Robncars]

This is my latest recipe. Just a couple tweaks. I seem to be dialing it in.
Approximately 2lbs tobacco flour
(was 3lbs whole leaves)
4- 12oz apple juice
12 oz water
1 cup glycerin
1 cup salt ( i use pink Himalayan)
4 tbsp cumin
Bring juice to a boil lower heat, but hold boil,, slowly mix in water glycerin salt and cumin mixing pretty well pour into crockpot (should be plugged in now to high) Add tobacco slowly mixing well, then plug crockpot into temp controller. Hold at 165⁰ for 24 hrs.

 

[Robncars]

Still doing good with that recipe but I'm trying to bulk up my dip on hand. I found a 20 gallon redwing crock to put it in after the crockpot. After 3-4 crockpots I think I could just start skipping the crockpot and let it ferment naturally.