Sour tobacco

[Bullman876]

Hello everyone
I’m looking for tobacco leaf that has a sour taste in order to make some snus/ dip.
Any recommendations?

 

[deluxestogie]

Welcome to the forum. Feel free to introduce yourself in the Introduce Yourself forum.

I'm not a snus person. I'm sure others will provide some suggestions.

Bob

 

[tullius]

Uncooked shredded flue cured virginia has a bitter taste when chewed that might pass as sour for some. For easy sour tasting dip/snus with any tobacco, replacing all or some water called for in the recipe with distilled vinegar should do the trick.

Why you'd want to do this is another question altogether. Sweet and sour snus? Lemon dip?

 

[Bullman876]

Uncooked shredded flue cured virginia has a bitter taste when chewed that might pass as sour for some. For easy sour tasting dip/snus with any tobacco, replacing all or some water called for in the recipe with distilled vinegar should do the trick.

Why you'd want to do this is another question altogether. Sweet and sour snus? Lemon dip?

I’m trying to come up with a safer alternative to Copenhagen but am having a difficult time replicating the sour notes .

 

[tullius]

Copenhagen snuff has ethyl alcohol in it that gives it a distinctive flavor, have you tried that? Could also be the ammonium carbonate.

Here's a link to the ingredients: http://www.altria.com/about-altria/...redients/Documents/Copenhagen-Ingredients.pdf

The big boys also do aging and/or a mild fermenting of their tobaccos in wood barrels for a couple of years which may contribute a tangy note.

 

[Bullman876]

Copenhagen snuff has ethyl alcohol in it that gives it a distinctive flavor, have you tried that? Could also be the ammonium carbonate.

Here's a link to the ingredients: http://www.altria.com/about-altria/...redients/Documents/Copenhagen-Ingredients.pdf

The big boys also do aging and/or a mild fermenting of their tobaccos in wood barrels for a couple of years which may contribute a tangy note.

I’m thinking that the fermentation is probably giving it the sour-tangy flavor I’m looking for...
I have tried the ammonium carb, but haven’t tried the ethyl yet.

 

[GreenDragon]

Have you tried a pinch of citric acid?

 

[deluxestogie]

Citric acid is what they coat Sour Patch Gummy Bears with.

Bob

 

[tullius]

Citric is a good suggestion. Adding any of the acids would negate the effects of the carbonates though I think, and could get exciting.

Do try the alcohol, I was surprised at the impact on the flavor. Just mix in some neutral flavor grain alcohol after you're done cooking.

 

[Bullman876]

Have you tried a pinch of citric acid?

Citric acid yes I have tried it.
Copenhagen does remind me of an acid taste, kind of like battery acid if you have ever had the pleasure of tasting battery acid (by accident of course)lol

 

[Bullman876]

Citric is a good suggestion. Adding any of the acids would negate the effects of the carbonates though I think, and could get exciting.

Do try the alcohol, I was surprised at the impact on the flavor. Just mix in some neutral flavor grain alcohol after you're done cooking.

I’ll try this

 

[tullius]

Another option would be to try adding some perique to the dip before or after the cook. It's fermented.

 

[tullius]

Copenhagen does remind me of an acid taste, kind of like battery acid if you have ever had the pleasure of tasting battery acid (by accident of course)lol

Funny you should mention battery acid: some zinc-carbon batteries use an aqueous paste of ammonium chloride as electrolyte. Altria lists ammonium chloride as an ingredient in Copenhagen Long Cut Black.

Anyways, I think if you stick to the known listed ingredients in Copenhagen snuff (they're listed in descending order by weight), you'll get real close. The solvent properties of the alcohol really change the flavor. Be sure to use enough salt, Cope snuff is on the salty side.

US Smokeless states they use 100% american dark air cured and fire cured tobacco in their products.