Too early to harvest seeds?

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My problem is spoke about in this thread. I'd say 75% of the seed pods are drying/browning leaving some of the seed pods still semi moist. I'll be moving the 15th of September and really hate to leave any of the tobacco byproduct at the house as it will never get used and will just rot away. I plan on harvesting all the leaves, and drying the stalks in the new garage for snuff use.

My question is this: when is it too early to harvest seeds?

Thanks for any help,
 

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My problem is spoke about in this thread. I'd say 75% of the seed pods are drying/browning leaving some of the seed pods still semi moist. I'll be moving the 15th of September and really hate to leave any of the tobacco byproduct at the house as it will never get used and will just rot away. I plan on harvesting all the leaves, and drying the stalks in the new garage for snuff use.

My question is this: when is it too early to harvest seeds?

Thanks for any help,
If the blossoms are mature (or off) harvest he pods with no fear. Put the seed heads in paper bags and keep them in a low humidity area till they pop and start to lose seed.
 

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I usually wait until most of the pods brown before cutting the bud head off the plant. I would be concerned about having too many immature seeds if they are harvested green.

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I usually wait until most of the pods brown before cutting the bud head off the plant. I would be concerned about having too many immature seeds if they are harvested green.Bob
I had that concern also but I was between a rock and a hard place. I cut about three feet of stalk with the seed head and a few leaves. I hung these on the wall in the sun porch with paper bags tied around the heads. The pods and leaves slowly dried, the pods sprung and started leaking seeds. I let the process to to the end point, harvested and screened and bagged the seed. I did get some immature seed and discarded it. A few weeks later a small germination test was over 90%. Surely not perfect but good enough for me.

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Daft question here:confused:---- how can you tell the difference between mature and immature seeds?

If the pods are thoroughly brown, wouldn't all the seed be mature?
 

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Daft question here:confused:---- how can you tell the difference between mature and immature seeds?

If the pods are thoroughly brown, wouldn't all the seed be mature?
Not necessarily. I let the pods get brown and hard and roll the seeds out with a finger and thumb. At Deluxe's suggestion I bought two screens -- one each 600 and 400 micron. I screen thru the 600µ to remove dirt and chaff then the 400µ to let small, presumably immature, seed go thru. Again, I'm not sure this is perfect but it seemed to work for me. The screens fit a 5 gallon bucket and are cheap. ~$5 US each from US Plastics.

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I had that concern also but I was between a rock and a hard place. I cut about three feet of stalk with the seed head and a few leaves. I hung these on the wall in the sun porch with paper bags tied around the heads. The pods and leaves slowly dried, the pods sprung and started leaking seeds. I let the process to to the end point, harvested and screened and bagged the seed. I did get some immature seed and discarded it. A few weeks later a small germination test was over 90%. Surely not perfect but good enough for me.
That's good information. Thanks.

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I cut off 6 or 7 bags today. The pods in each bag were about 90% brown. Two bags had worms in them. One bag had 3-4 black worms with a yellowish stripe down each side and one bag had what looked like a mature bud worm in it. I sprayed those seed bags with BT every time I sprayed the patch and have no idea how they got inside or survived. Most of the podsi those bags had holes eaten through them. Fortunately I had bagged about three plants per variety. They were the paint strainer bags with super small mesh. I'm stumped.
 

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I cut off 6 or 7 bags today. The pods in each bag were about 90% brown. Two bags had worms in them. One bag had 3-4 black worms with a yellowish stripe down each side and one bag had what looked like a mature bud worm in it. I sprayed those seed bags with BT every time I sprayed the patch and have no idea how they got inside or survived. Most of the podsi those bags had holes eaten through them. Fortunately I had bagged about three plants per variety. They were the paint strainer bags with super small mesh. I'm stumped.

May have had eggs on the budhead when it was bagged.
 

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My impression is that, absent a hole in the bag itself, budworms appear within intact bags because their eggs were laid near the bud prior to bagging. I've found that the later I wait to bag (for example, waiting until the first blossom is about to open), the greater the likelihood of budworms appearing within the bag. Unfortunately, some tobacco varieties have such feeble, floppy bud heads early on, that it's difficult for them to support a bag against gravity, much less against wind, unless I wait for them to nearly blossom.

If you inspect the bud bags regularly, it's possible to detect budworms even when you can't see a pod with a hole in it. When budworms bore into a pod, they tend to drop out clumps of seed, which will appear in the most dependent part of the bag. Most mature pods will not spontaneously split open and spill much noticeable seed. Immature pods never spill seed.

So, if you can see even one pod with a BB sized hole in it, or if you see clumps of seed at the bottom of the bag, the bag needs to be removed. Each pod (every single one) needs to be examined from two or three angles for a hole. Snap off and discard any affected pods. With luck, you may even spot a worm or two. You know what to do with those. When you're done, look at the bud head again from yet another angle. I always catch another bad pod or two at that point. If the bag is fairly clean, put it back on. If not, put on a new one.

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You're right, I had noticed spilled seed in those bags, which I at first thought was dirt and decomposed blossoms. Apparently the BT just wasn't making it's way through the mesh to the buds. I had sprayed immediately before bagging also, but with all this rain....
 

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You're right, I had noticed spilled seed in those bags, which I at first thought was dirt and decomposed blossoms. Apparently the BT just wasn't making it's way through the mesh to the buds. I had sprayed immediately before bagging also, but with all this rain....
Remember BT has to be consumed. So it has no effect on eggs. The worm could hatch and bore into a pod without getting enough to kill it.
 

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How about black seeds?
I have some black ones the other night, are they junk seeds.
I checked my seed collection from seedman and there is no black ones.
i put some in in the solar room to see if it germates in a dish
 
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