Too late to plant some more?

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prairiefarmer

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I'm located in central illinois and was wandering if it would be too late to sow another flat of seeds. We usually dont get any frost until at least mid october, so Im assuming I would be fine, but just wanted to see what everyone else thought.
 

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If you start seed today, you may be able to get them into the ground before July 1. I would expect that you could possibly mature the leaves, in the absence early frosts. Making seed might be a bit of a squeeze. The most common problem with late crops is the ambient conditions when you are trying to color-cure the leaf. If it's too cool and damp in the fall, you may need supplemental heat to cure it.

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Go for it. It really depends on what type you're growing. There's plenty of time for cigar wrapper, but it's probably a little late for binder and Burley. Oriental should do OK too.

The weather has been crazy here. There was snow on the ground a week ago and today it was almost 90°. I lost almost all of my YTB and Havana 142, but other varieties are doing fine.

What are you thinking about starting?
 

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I tried a late 2nd crop of orientals last year. I noticed in early June that my regular crop of burley/virginias was bolting to bud early. So, I started a full crop of turkish varieties. They were in the ground in early/mid-July.

Bursa, bafra and samsum were all topped in early September, before budding. The bursa & barfa and just the lower leaves of the samsum matured well, color sun-cured nicely, but were too dry to process last fall. The upper leaves of the samsum never cured well, mostly dried green.

I left all hanging in my shed over winter, at ambient temperature. It wasn't until late March that the humidity started to rise, and finally just finished processing (remove midrib) this last week. All is now being kiln-fermented. Most all the upper leaves on the dried-green samsum were trashed - but did keep a few just to see how they'd smoke.

Don't know if I'd try this again. I know I was lucky to get what I did.
Biggest problem was weather during the curing phase, difficult to sun or air cure with cool temps, cloudy days and varying humidity. I did notice that some leaves that I thought was showing or partially dried green, did actually brown nicely overwinter.

There may be varieties, like Havana 142, or bursa/bafra, that will mature early, and be worth trying to start late in early summer. I would say no on most burleys and virginias.
 

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Damn, sorry to hear about that FmGrowit, Those are 2 of my favorite varietys. I've been nursing 11 YTB's and I lost my havana 142 to bad germinating trial.

I'm glad to hear that about the bursa leftyrighty cause most of my plants are going in a little late this year. I have a longer grow season but a high humidity cureing for stalks will have to be planned for due to unpredictable Texas weather. Mold would be a problem if anything stalk air drying is hanging to long in high humidity or a rainy fall. It would take a long time under those conditions for the stalks to dry. Maybe I could split them down the middle to speed up the moisture loss?
 

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I think the obvious answer is to purchase some starts from BigBonner. They can be in the ground by mid May. He's offering 30+ varieties.

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The only seed i have left is virginia bright leaf. I went ahead and planted it this evening. If it doesnt work out then so be it. I'll just chalk this year up as a major learning curve. Ive grown a lot of things in my life but i'll have to admit tobacco has probably been one of the more difficult things on the list!! Ive really been struggling between the balance of too much water and not enough water. I may have sunburnt some too in the process of trying to harden them off. It didnt help any that farming time rolled around 3-4 weeks earlier than normal this year so there was about 1 week in there where they didnt get the proper attention that they needed. Ill keep you guys posted on how the late planting turns out. Thanks for the input!!
 

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I think the obvious answer is to purchase some starts from BigBonner. They can be in the ground by mid May. He's offering 30+ varieties.

Bob

Done did that Bob ,Good advice, They should be here tomorrow as far as my grow, I'm still hoping to get my sprouts up enough to beat the heat for setting out. It's been cloudy every day here and I can kick myself for having to start over due to mistakes.

Experience means you can recognize a mistake when you make one, Until it comes to tobacco.

EDIT; And Women
 

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By the way how does a guy get ahold of big bonner? Does he have his own website or does he do it all on here?

Go to your in box prairiefarmer and go to send private message. or click on Bigbonners name on last posts at forum. {something like that] to send pm. Hes shipping plants now and I've been hearing[thru the ethernet] nothing but good about them. Mine should be here tomorrow and they will be the first in the ground after sizing them up and hardining off or nursing a bit depending on handling during shipping. I understand they ship realy well.


EDIT; the features on this site just keep getting better and better.
 

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i will be starting more strains in the near future,,, but im in a tropical climate compared to my YANKEE FRIENDS<
 

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All the civil war did was turn brother against brother. We've been dealin with that ever since. Its a mind set that your born into if your not well traveled. Which i'm not { now tell me thats an understatement] Ha ha. Its like hard to explain but i'll try,

1 there is a difference between yankees and rebels,
2 rebels please there women better than any old yankee;).

3 my wife was born in Texas but raised in Maryland, she swears she was on the mason dixon line and aint no yankee, [ I'm not convinced]
4 It don't matter where your woman was born and raised.
5 Anything else is practicly irrelevant when you decide that boundaries don't define you.

case closed.;)

As far as growing tobacco I believe we'll let the forum decide.
 

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I am not even starting my seed until tomorrow. Keep in mind I am in a high mountain dessert. Most people think hot when they think dessert but that is not true. It gets cold at night very late into the year. We are only suppose dot reach 65 degrees today. We usually get a window in July and August that hits temperatures good for tobacoo and that is what I am timing everything for. I am set for a June 5th plant out date. this should have the plants in the ground about 30 days when the warmest part of the year comes around. THis is actually a very warm for this time of year for us. we should still be gettign frost at night. It does get down to the low 40's the way it is. We do not get that scorching killing heat the rest of your have to deal with in mid summer. 90 is a hot day for us.
 

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BarG you talked about it like its over.......It aint were still fightin it. That illegal war of northern agression. My wife is from Labelle Fl. and i picked at her about being a yankee once ( i'm from Fort Myers the south side of the caloosahatchee river) man i wont make that mistake again the salt in my food was un-bearable. what else would you expect from a guy who named his daughter Kattie Scarlet. My nephew is named Rhett. In truth there are many yankees that i call friends they have a lot to offer like,winchester,ruger,chevrolet & ford. I guess you could say they are the yin in our yang.
 

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BarG you talked about it like its over.......It aint were still fightin it. That illegal war of northern agression. My wife is from Labelle Fl. and i picked at her about being a yankee once ( i'm from Fort Myers the south side of the caloosahatchee river) man i wont make that mistake again the salt in my food was un-bearable. what else would you expect from a guy who named his daughter Kattie Scarlet. My nephew is named Rhett. In truth there are many yankees that i call friends they have a lot to offer like,winchester,ruger,chevrolet & ford. I guess you could say they are the yin in our yang.

Ha ha , thats great workhorse_01. When I named my first born Sandra, my Grandma freaked out and said," whatever you do do don't call her Sandy" I said why? She said " that sounds dirty" I laughed my ass off. I would love to name name one of mine a controversial name If I had it to do over. John or george,anything but SUE!
 

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Do it over??? You got plans? :D And there's nothing wrong with a GIRL named Sue.

John

No but with my luck I'd get a boy next time.That would be hell to pay.I'd work his ass off and he'd hate me cause I named him sue, we'd be rassiln in the mud and the blood and the beer.

All my kids names start with S.



He'd probably bite my ear off or somethin.:D
 
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