N. Trigonophylla and N. Rustica-Midewiwan

[Levi Gross]

I picked these up about a week ago. I have yet to do any research on them. More seeds for the collection. I will post my findings here.

N. Trigonophylla and N. Rustica-Midewiwan

 

[deluxestogie]

Tobacco phylogenetic tree:

Nicotiana trigonophylla does not appear here as a species, but as the vague, "Section Trigonophyllae" (near the bottom), including N. obtusifolia and two unknown progenitors of "Section Rapondae" and "Section Polydicliae".

Bob

 

[Levi Gross]

Vascular Plants of the Gila Wilderness-- Nicotiana trigonophylla

 

[deluxestogie]

I have tracked down my confusion:

Nicotiana obtusifolia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nicotiana obtusifolia is the actual Latin binomial for the plant. That is what appears in the phylogenetic tree shown in my previous post. Nicotiana trigonophylla is an "alternative" name for the very same plant.

The closeup of the branched trichome hairs on the back of the leaf in the Gila Wilderness article are impressive. It's worth clicking that article, then enlarging the photo view of that one.

Bob

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Vascular Plants of the Gila Wilderness-- Nicotiana trigonophylla

I would smoke that

 

[Levi Gross]

I would smoke that

I am still on the fence with that decision...

 

[Levi Gross]

I have tracked down my confusion:

Nicotiana obtusifolia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nicotiana obtusifolia is the actual Latin binomial for the plant. That is what appears in the phylogenetic tree shown in my previous post. Nicotiana trigonophylla is an "alternative" name for the very same plant.

The closeup of the branched trichome hairs on the back of the leaf in the Gila Wilderness article are impressive. It's worth clicking that article, then enlarging the photo view of that one.

Bob

Thank you for clarifying that! The Wikipedia link was very helpful. Should we try to smoke it... LOL I am still undecided.

 

[deluxestogie]

"Alkaloids are found in a wide variety of plants, including desert tobacco (Nicotiana obtusifolia). Nicotine is the poisonous principle in this plant and although it is unpalatable to livestock it is an agricultural weed that may accidentally end up in hay. A lethal dose is approximately 2% of the animal’s weight."

https://extension.arizona.edu/sites/extension.arizona.edu/files/pubs/az1828-2020.pdf

If you weigh 150 pounds, then a lethal consumed (i.e. eaten) dose is 3 pounds of that plant. In terms of which alkaloids are present, here is a comparison with those of N. tabacum:

Overall alkaloids are low. Nornicotine in N. obtusifolia is (58%) over half the of its total alkaloids, compared to 5% Nornicotine in N. tabacum, so I would suggest, if you choose to smoke the wild tobacco, that it be in a pipe or a cigar, and not inhaled. And about those branched trichome hairs.....

Bob

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Why do they always throw that L. on after tabacum?

 

[Alpine]

L for Linnaeus… the first who christened the plant, and the inventor of binomial classification of plants and animals. A smart Swedish guy from the 18th century.

pier

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

L for Linnaeus… the first who christened the plant, and the inventor of binomial classification of plants and animals. A smart Swedish guy from the 18th century.

pier

So if it's one of the original species, it gets the L? But species names by subsequent scientists don't get a letter.

 

[Homegrowngoodnes]

I would like to buy a vowel lol

 

[deluxestogie]

So if it's one of the original species, it gets the L? But species names by subsequent scientists don't get a letter.

There are over a half-dozen alternative Latin binomial names for N. tabacum. For that matter, there are about a half-dozen names for Caroli Linnaei. At any rate, Linnaeus dubbed the plant after Jean Nicot. Most research references include the "L.", whereas everywhere else ignores it.

Bob

 

[Levi Gross]

It’s conversations like this that always keep me coming back for more. This is good stuff! Thank you Gentlemen!

 

[Levi Gross]

Midewiwan Rustica. What else would I be thinking about at 12:30 am!

 

[Levi Gross]

Progress of the Midewiwan and what I am feeding them. I have decided to go all out and try something I thought I would never do. Grow my Rustica in a pot indoors. I’m also feeding them very well with some products I use on some of my other plants . The molasses and the floralicious with add both flavor and weight to my soon to be potent plants. Don’t worry I’m not turning this into a grow log. I just couldn’t resist the urge to do a late season experiment. I may need to move them to the other greenhouse but I want absolutely zero bugs on these guys and zero pesticides I I can get away with it. They were germinated in a float tray and given one treatment of Monterey Systemic. I’m finding a lot of merit to being a small hobby grower. Anyway, I wish anyone reading this a happy and bountiful harvest.

 

[ChinaVoodoo]

Don’t worry I’m not turning this into a grow log

What do you mean? Why not?

 

[Levi Gross]

starting to form flower heads but I expected that. I will be lovingly pruning them soon. I’m still juicing them up on some high power nutrients. Also showing signs of the fuzzy leaves I love so much.

 

[Levi Gross]

Developing some nice thick leathery dark green leaves!