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How long have they been in full ground? How old are they? (I mean.. when did you sow?)
Anyway, I wouldn’t keep seeds from a plant that has not been properly bagged…

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Right…I don’t plan on it. I don’t plan on keeping any seeds from anything that went to seed earlyisn because I don’t want to encourage those genes. Maybe some of my plants are approaching the correct time to show buds. Maybe a month to a month and a half…can’t remember exactly when I planted everything! I always properly bag any seed I plan on keeping. I thought about maybe saving some of the early Krumovgrad seed as a backup and not bothering to bag it as it is the only thing flowering in the property and any surrounding properties. I know that could still pose unwanted cross issues as the last flowers they produce may overlap with first blooms from other plants unless I dilligently remove any new growth and leave the seed pods I want to keep…anyway, that’s a lot of effort for something I don’t even want.
 

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Transplant to 50% of the plants in blossom is exactly 60 days. Ha! (I wish.) That's more like 40 to 90 days, more or less. But if we say the average of all the varieties is 60 days after transplant, then 50% of those hypothetical plants will be in blossom 8 weeks after transplant. But budding is not the same as in blossom. After the buds first appear, the stalk must elongate, which can be a week or more, plus the blossoms open gradually over time. So we can casually say that from transplant to first buds showing may be a mere 7 weeks. BUT, of that 50%, some are always earlier.

We're less than a week from July. I am never surprised to see the start of budding in July. With most varieties, the entire stalk continues to grow taller, increasing the space between leaf nodes, and the leaves themselves (other than the bottom leaf) continue to increase in size.

SUMMARY: I would just sit back, and take notes on what I see.

Bob
 

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Have you had a lot of rainy or overcast days in a row lately? That's the only thing I know of that can trigger early blooming in many strains at once. It's happen to me before.

I'm with Bob. Sit back, takes some notes for the future, and relax with some nice leaf from Don. I don't think you have done anything wrong. And there really isn't anything you can do about it anyway. I think you will be surprised by how much more they will grow in the next month.
 

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Have you had a lot of rainy or overcast days in a row lately?
pretty much the exact opposite! A lot of very hot, very dry (have had maybe 3/10” in past month and half) days. The weather has been odd. Many days in the 90s and some nights reaching down into the 40s! I read that stress can cause plants like lettuce to bolt so who knows…I’ve tried to water them occasionally…maybe 4 or 5 times since transplant and less than half of those times I used some all purpose miracle gro in the water (I was afraid I hadn’t done enough to replace nutrients in the soil since last season). I remember thinking last season “when are these things going to start showing buds” and I had VERY wet, flood like conditions (a lot of my plants nearly died from drowning). So…that is about all the information I have on what I have been doing with the plants…nothing out of the ordinary I guess…
 

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Transplant to 50% of the plants in blossom is exactly 60 days. Ha! (I wish.) That's more like 40 to 90 days, more or less. But if we say the average of all the varieties is 60 days after transplant, then 50% of those hypothetical plants will be in blossom 8 weeks after transplant. But budding is not the same as in blossom. After the buds first appear, the stalk must elongate, which can be a week or more, plus the blossoms open gradually over time. So we can casually say that from transplant to first buds showing may be a mere 7 weeks. BUT, of that 50%, some are always earlier.

We're less than a week from July. I am never surprised to see the start of budding in July. With most varieties, the entire stalk continues to grow taller, increasing the space between leaf nodes, and the leaves themselves (other than the bottom leaf) continue to increase in size.

SUMMARY: I would just sit back, and take notes on what I see.

Bob
Yes, technically it is not completely absurd for some of the plants to be starting to grow buds. I am just troubled by their current size! The most generous fraction of total growth I could give them is halfway…I guess now, as you said, I just observe (as if I have any other kind of choice….haha)
 

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I’m confused by this statement. I could theoretically keep a leaf from drying for an absurd amount of time in the right conditions.
Yeah, I didn't phrase that very well. I just meant that very immature leaf that looks fully colour cured isn't necessarily all the way there and might (but likely won't) benefit from being given more time to metabolise stuff other than chlorophyll.

I somehow got the impression the leaf in question was a windfall or something. I have a habit of attempting to cure any decent sized leaves that happen to break off accidentally, just to see what happens. Last year I even went to the length of kilning them but they never really lost that raw taste (despite darkening and changing texture).
 

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never really lost that raw taste
Some of the trashier leaf that I fussed with did not become smokable for 5 to 10 years. [Couldn't just toss it. Rediscovered it a decade later.] The chemical changes will happen, whether or not the enzymes (living cell catalysts) are still functioning. The difference is the rate of reaction. The enzymes in the living cells accelerate the inevitable chemical reactions by 10 to 100 or more times. The icky taste is from proteins, complex carbohydrates and terpenes that persist in the leaf lamina. Burley is notorious for requiring continued air-curing beyond the stage when they have color-cured (browned).

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FINALLY got some decent rain today! .6” in about 10 minutes and every bit of it was soaked up! Maybe my plants will change their minds about all going to seed (the ones that haven’t yet). My theory on the matter is the very hot dry weather had them in somewhat of a survival mode and they were going to seed as quickly as possible due to the lack of water….who knows though.
 

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Harrow velvet plant. 2.5 feet tall at the most. Some large leaves are showing signs of ripening (mottled yellow through lamina). Not sure how to handle this situation. I guess I let it do its thing and proceed as if it is late July…353CBB70-2070-494F-96D0-C53E4DCC4D42.jpeg
I’ve never had this happen before. What might this mean for my harvest? Smaller, fewer leaves? Poor quality? This is assuming they go to seed and stay stunted in growth….
 
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Topping them will allow the leaves to grow larger. If you plan to stalk harvest, I would allow them continue, until you feel the leaf is becoming damaged by wind. Burley is forgiving. Some years ago, my Harrow Velvet bed flooded, and stayed inundated for several days. The plants all looked terrible. By harvest, they had recovered and ripened well. They color-cured normally, and made excellent tobacco. The only action I could take was to not plant that flood-prone bed in the future.

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Topping them will allow the leaves to grow larger. If you plan to stalk harvest, I would allow them continue, until you feel the leaf is becoming damaged by wind. Burley is forgiving. Some years ago, my Harrow Velvet bed flooded, and stayed inundated for several days. The plants all looked terrible. By harvest, they had recovered and ripened well. They color-cured normally, and made excellent tobacco. The only action I could take was to not plant that flood-prone bed in the future.

Bob
Are you suggesting I top that plant right now or wait to top it?? (It is a strange feeling having to reach down into the central leaf cluster to top a plant…)
 

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Ok. Here is what I think you should do. Get a bottle of your favorite brandy. Pour 3 fingers into a glass and slam it down. Then pour another and sip on it while you watch your plants grow for a few more weeks. :D

That Harrow Velvet is no where near ripe. When it is the whole plant will be a golden yellow half way up. It will very likely throw out a few more leaves at the top as the bud pushes up and end up being 5-6" tall. And all the leaves will get a lot bigger. Top it when half the flowers on the bud have opened. Or pick them and put them in a vase. The Harrow Velvet in this pict is just starting to ripen and is about at the stage where it would be topped. http://nwtseeds.com/Harrow_Velvet_4.jpg If the pict hadn't been taken in full sunlight you would see an even bigger difference in color between the top leaves and the bottom. Harrow Velvet cures super easy and you don't need to fuss over it trying to decide when it is ripe enough to pick. You'll know. Like I said before, it is one of my favorites. Grown it almost every year for 12 years. My barn is half full of it now.
 
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Harrow velvet plant. 2.5 feet tall at the most. Some large leaves are showing signs of ripening (mottled yellow through lamina). Not sure how to handle this situation. I guess I let it do its thing and proceed as if it is late July…View attachment 42475
I’ve never had this happen before. What might this mean for my harvest? Smaller, fewer leaves? Poor quality? This is assuming they go to seed and stay stunted in growth….
I had an early budding season one year, no rhyme or reason. Dark Air, Burley, Flue Cured short and tightly spaced leaves and budded while short and squat. The leaves ended up of normal size and a normal leaf count, they were just short plants. Don't worry about stalk height. Don't panic and try to fix something. Relax. I think you are going to have a great season.
 

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I had an early budding season one year, no rhyme or reason.
Yup. Me too. And no idea why. Everything ended up pretty normal in the end. I wish I did know why it happens. Being in the seed business, and living in an area with a very short growing season, I would like it to happen more often.
 

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Thank you everyone for the advice.
Yup. Me too. And no idea why. Everything ended up pretty normal in the end. I wish I did know why it happens. Being in the seed business, and living in an area with a very short growing season, I would like it to happen more often.
hmmm…it is quite strange. There has to be a reason for it. Do you remember if it was unseasonably dry or if there was anything out of the ordinary with the weather? I have come to the conclusion that it must be the weather having had plants from two different sources, germinated and grown to transplant size in completely different environments, both start budding early.
 
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