$40 flake maker idea, but what about ideal shredding thickness for pipe tobacco??

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I’ve been researching and haven’t been able to find the ideal shredding thickness for pipe tobacco. Is it 1.5mm? 2mm? 6mm? What is the perfect size in mm for pipe tobacco? For instance what is ready rubbed and flake in mm? I’m going to be pressing the shredded pipe tobacco afterwards. Then after pressing I’ll be slicing with a $40 meat slicer from Amazon.ca to make flake. (Unless i can find something better).

Advise me please and thank you

- Josh the piper
 

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I made a flake maker using 1/4" screen for cigarettes and pipe. I haven't used a shredder since.

 

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I made a flake maker using 1/4" screen for cigarettes and pipe. I haven't used a shredder since.

Have pictures?
 

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I'm not sure you two mean the same thing when you say flake.

I think the answer you're looking for is 1.5mm.

Based on personal experience, I think your $40 meat slicer is going to be annoying to use once it starts to gum up. Also, the plug tends to leave an uncut tail. I have no solutions other than a knife and cutting board.
 

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What is the perfect size in mm for pipe tobacco?
Although the secret to the universe is 42, nobody can say what size shred is perfect for somebody else. Commercial preparations have always been influenced by considerations other than what is ideal to smoke. What shred packs well in our cans? What shred seems to light most easily? What does our $100,000 shredding machine produce? Mostly marketing decisions.

A fine shred burns hotter. (A humectant treated commercial pipe tobacco needs all the help it can get to burn.) A coarse shred burns somewhat cooler and more slowly. Some tobacco varieties (e.g. Basma types) and some priming levels (e.g. leaf from the upper stalk) may not burn as well as other tobacco, and may benefit from a finer shred.

Most of my pipe tobacco blending utilizes a simple, manual blade to create a coarse shred. That method is illustrated in this post:


Whether you press it or simply roll the leaf, the shredding is similar. So...there is no "perfect" shred. I suppose that if you own a shredder, then that's your shred. I've been manually shredding my pipe blends with a single blade—for well over a decade.

If you shred, then press the tobacco into a plug, you will be producing what is sometimes called "crumble cake". You just break off a chunk, and crumble it in your pipe.

Your personal experimentation will guide you to your preferences better than any of us.

Bob
 

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Just a recap here - at least how I see it

@Armstrong-Joshua was asking about how thick you slice your plug. In other words, how thick are your slices of flake.

@Knucklehead explained a completely different procedure where he makes something he also calls flakes. His "flake" is flat, squareish pieces of tobacco

@Frazeri asked @Knucklehead why you would press shredded tobacco which is a valid question, except I don't think he does.

@deluxestogie had a pretty thorough answer to that question and more which had not been asked yet.
 

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One of the reasons for the development of crumble cake (pressing shredded, blended tobacco into a solid slab) is the tendency of certain blends to spontaneously sort themselves (by the Brazil nut effect)—that is, they "unblend" themselves. This can happen with, for example, Latakia blends greater than about 50% Latakia. With these blends in simple shred, the Latakia ends up at the bottom of the container. Cornell & Diehl offers their Pirate Kake (75% Latakia) only as a slab that looks like dark particle board.

PirateKake_crumbleCake.jpg


[That is yummy stuff as a small last bowl of the day. The skull and crossbones logo is appropriate!]

Bob
 

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I’ve been researching and haven’t been able to find the ideal shredding thickness for pipe tobacco. Is it 1.5mm? 2mm? 6mm? What is the perfect size in mm for pipe tobacco? For instance what is ready rubbed and flake in mm? I’m going to be pressing the shredded pipe tobacco afterwards. Then after pressing I’ll be slicing with a $40 meat slicer from Amazon.ca to make flake. (Unless i can find something better).

Advise me please and thank you

- Josh the piper
I've been wondering about slicing plugs with a meat slicer, but didn't really want to spend the money without knowing if it would work. Kind of seems like it should though.
 

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I made a flake maker using 1/4" screen for cigarettes and pipe. I haven't used a shredder since.

I dig the hardware screen, so are you just letting your leaf dry to the point that it will shatter and rubbing it through that way?
 

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I dig the hardware screen, so are you just letting your leaf dry to the point that it will shatter and rubbing it through that way?
Yes. It works great. No need to destem separately, I just crumble the leaf from around the stem and then remove the stem. Whatever falls through the screen is small enough for making cigarettes or for pipe blends.
 
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